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Post by code on Dec 7, 2021 16:01:30 GMT
Once again, a government created crime wave, prohibition, resulted in yet another senseless gun law that deprives others of liberty. The whole idea of the 2nd amendment was to ensure liberty. How does one overthrow the tyrannical state that is armed to the teeth without equal firepower? That is where "shall not be infringed" comes in. Have you ever tried to find how many legally owned guns were actually used in a crime by their legal owner? Do you really think that felons will obey the law? The small hats are unleashing their pets on society, with the help of Soros backed district attorneys, to demoralize the population, so they will willingly give up their God given right to self defense. There are several cities with high murder rates. Rural areas, at this time, appear to not share that idea that killing people is in vogue. I use my firearms moreso in the summer than winter. Varmint shooting happens. Am I willing to forfeit my right to bear arms because of a few nutjobs? Nope. Agree the murder rate in cities, especially Democrat run cities is appealing. I'm not after your guns Sig, I hope you know that, what I want is your friendship. I support your right to own a firearm, be it a pistol, or rifle, but I would have an issue if you had a sawed off or a machine gun or a military grade sniper rifle. The first is illegal, the 2nd and 3rd should, in my opinion, as they do not meet the "common use" requirement set out in United States v Miller.
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Post by pbfoot on Dec 7, 2021 16:16:38 GMT
There are several cities with high murder rates. Rural areas, at this time, appear to not share that idea that killing people is in vogue. I use my firearms moreso in the summer than winter. Varmint shooting happens. Am I willing to forfeit my right to bear arms because of a few nutjobs? Nope. Agree the murder rate in cities, especially Democrat run cities is appealing. I'm not after your guns Sig, I hope you know that, what I want is your friendship. I support your right to own a firearm, be it a pistol, or rifle, but I would have an issue if you had a sawed off or a machine gun or a military grade sniper rifle. The first is illegal, the 2nd and 3rd should, in my opinion, as they do not meet the "common use" requirement set out in United States v Miller.
It is unfortunate that you base your opinion on a Court that was supposed to be for the people but has failed miserably. I refuse to acknowledge any law that I deem unconstitutional. |
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Post by pbfoot on Dec 7, 2021 16:19:54 GMT
I will go one step further in my opinion of the judiciary. Majority of judges are partisan hacks pushing an agenda.
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 7, 2021 16:24:58 GMT
You are attempting to beat a dead horse with convoluted logic. A free state IS the people. THUS ... A well regulated militia, being necessary for the SECURITY of a free people, shall not be infringed so people (who make up the militia) can possess weapons for the purpose of protecting the free state themselves. Can I get an AMEN? What is more common in history, is a State composed of a small fraction of the people who wish to suppress the ownership of weapons to protect themselves from the larger fraction of the people. Can I get a 2nd AMEN? Missouri, I agree with you a state is people, made up of and comprised of people, and free state is filled with free people. And perhaps you would also agree, that in the course of human history, there have been very few free states (based on the above definition(s)). Or, if initially so, did not last. The problem with freedom is when we begin to believe it is only OUR right. Government almost always trends in that direction if left unchecked ... as do bandits, either within or without government. True freedom requires the absolute support of its reciprical, practiced with personal responsibility. Freedom is not free. Nor is it safe. And its defense cannot be delegated. As I get older, Reagan makes more and more sense. There are those in America today who have come to depend absolutely on government for their security. And when government fails they seek to rectify that failure in the form of granting government more power. So, as government has failed to control crime and violence with the means given it by the Constitution, they seek to give it more power at the expense of the Constitution. But in doing so, in their willingness to give up their arms in the name of safety, they are really giving up their protection from what has always been the chief source of despotism—government. – 1975
Lord Acton said power corrupts. Surely then, if this is true, the more power we give the government the more corrupt it will become. And if we give it the power to confiscate our arms we also give up the ultimate means to combat that corrupt power. In doing so we can only assure that we will eventually be totally subject to it. When dictators come to power, the first thing they do is take away the people's weapons. It makes it so much easier for the secret police to operate, it makes it so much easier to force the will of the ruler upon the ruled. – 1975
(And along a current theme) One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It’s very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. – 1961 |
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Post by pbfoot on Dec 7, 2021 16:56:53 GMT
January 6th, although a partial glow op, showed the world how much those cowards in DC fear the population. My heart swelled seeing those scumbags, who have destroyed what was once a shining example of individual liberty, cower under their desks. I was disgusted watching those that broke into the Capital. There are those in DC who didn't fear the law breakers as they rioted and broke with both decorum and law.
That you found it appealing for old people and average citizens to take cover under a desk is disconcerting. You have no idea how deep my contempt goes. These "elderly" statesmen wipe their ass with the constitution daily and have not one shred of human decency. They only lust for power. War criminals. All of them. The capital is the people's house, not theirs. |
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Post by pbfoot on Dec 7, 2021 17:06:10 GMT
You are incorrect. I posted links to the federalist papers and I noticed how you removed the comma after the militia. It is a semantics issue after all. How does one defend from the tyranny of the state if you have no arms? Australia is finding out first hand. The Federalist papers are not the Actual Amendment PB. True, but they show the debate and the original intent of the founders. |
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Post by pbfoot on Dec 7, 2021 17:08:51 GMT
January 6th, although a partial glow op, showed the world how much those cowards in DC fear the population. My heart swelled seeing those scumbags, who have destroyed what was once a shining example of individual liberty, cower under their desks. I was disgusted watching those that broke into the Capital. There are those in DC who didn't fear the law breakers as they rioted and broke with both decorum and law.
That you found it appealing for old people and average citizens to take cover under a desk is disconcerting. You also were watching propaganda. Did you see the video of Trump supporters pointing out Antifa breaking in? Did you see the video of the Capital Police moving the barricades and waving people in? If you watch TV news on a daily basis I think that disqualifies you from having an informed opinion. |
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Post by Sigurdur on Dec 8, 2021 3:52:35 GMT
There are several cities with high murder rates. Rural areas, at this time, appear to not share that idea that killing people is in vogue. I use my firearms moreso in the summer than winter. Varmint shooting happens. Am I willing to forfeit my right to bear arms because of a few nutjobs? Nope. Agree the murder rate in cities, especially Democrat run cities is appealing. I'm not after your guns Sig, I hope you know that, what I want is your friendship. I support your right to own a firearm, be it a pistol, or rifle, but I would have an issue if you had a sawed off or a machine gun or a military grade sniper rifle. The first is illegal, the 2nd and 3rd should, in my opinion, as they do not meet the "common use" requirement set out in United States v Miller.
I know you aren't after my firearms. Friendship? Enough that I want to meet you in person someday. I don't enjoy the liberal paranoia surrounding the firearm issue. You talked about AR-15's. My Ruger Mini 14 fires the same round as an AR-15. It has a superior spent shell ejection mechanism. Has a 30 round clip. My 6MM would fall into sniper class weapon. I am not willing to part with that firearm as well. |
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Post by code on Dec 8, 2021 4:00:38 GMT
Agree the murder rate in cities, especially Democrat run cities is appealing. I'm not after your guns Sig, I hope you know that, what I want is your friendship. I support your right to own a firearm, be it a pistol, or rifle, but I would have an issue if you had a sawed off or a machine gun or a military grade sniper rifle. The first is illegal, the 2nd and 3rd should, in my opinion, as they do not meet the "common use" requirement set out in United States v Miller.
It is unfortunate that you base your opinion on a Court that was supposed to be for the people but has failed miserably. I refuse to acknowledge any law that I deem unconstitutional. No human is perfect, no court is human. And yet we put a man on the moon and developed this thing called the internet. Laws, constitutional or not, still are part of our society and our society, flawed it maybe still functions. |
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Post by code on Dec 8, 2021 4:09:24 GMT
Agree the murder rate in cities, especially Democrat run cities is appealing. I'm not after your guns Sig, I hope you know that, what I want is your friendship. I support your right to own a firearm, be it a pistol, or rifle, but I would have an issue if you had a sawed off or a machine gun or a military grade sniper rifle. The first is illegal, the 2nd and 3rd should, in my opinion, as they do not meet the "common use" requirement set out in United States v Miller.
I know you aren't after my firearms. Friendship? Enough that I want to meet you in person someday. I don't enjoy the liberal paranoia surrounding the firearm issue. You talked about AR-15's. My Ruger Mini 14 fires the same round as an AR-15. It has a superior spent shell ejection mechanism. Has a 30 round clip. My 6MM would fall into sniper class weapon. I am not willing to part with that firearm as well. I am not after your firearms because I think you are a responsible gun owner and would grant a license to you for the weapons you hold, yes, even those I oppose because I believe you are responsible, mature, and capable. But I don't think we should be granting just anyone a weapon. I know Switzerland lets citizens keep true military grade weapons at home
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Post by code on Dec 8, 2021 4:11:15 GMT
A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
Ok, back to square one. A well regulated militia, being necessary for the SECURITY of a free state, shall not be infringed so people (who make up the militia) can possess weapons for the purpose of protecting the free state.
That is what it says period.
There is nothing in those words that says you have a right to own a weapon for your personal use and up until 2008 when the court, by a one vote margin - District of Columbia V Heller - voted that a civilian was protected by the 2nd to keep a handgun for self-defense. What did we do all those years before? Perhaps C v H was wrong? I will point out the courts have held certain weapons are not legal... A Sawed off shot gun for example is not legal ... United States v Miller in 1939. I believe certain military grade weapons like 50 cal sniper rifles and AR 15's should not be sold to the public just like a sawed off shotgun should not. Once again, a government created crime wave, prohibition, resulted in yet another senseless gun law that deprives others of liberty. The whole idea of the 2nd amendment was to ensure liberty. How does one overthrow the tyrannical state that is armed to the teeth without equal firepower? That is where "shall not be infringed" comes in. Have you ever tried to find how many legally owned guns were actually used in a crime by their legal owner? Do you really think that felons will obey the law? The small hats are unleashing their pets on society, with the help of Soros backed district attorneys, to demoralize the population, so they will willingly give up their God given right to self defense. I don't believe in God so I don't believe in God given rights. The second was not about overthrowing our government, right? |
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Post by code on Dec 8, 2021 4:13:06 GMT
I was disgusted watching those that broke into the Capital. There are those in DC who didn't fear the law breakers as they rioted and broke with both decorum and law.
That you found it appealing for old people and average citizens to take cover under a desk is disconcerting. You have no idea how deep my contempt goes. These "elderly" statesmen wipe their ass with the constitution daily and have not one shred of human decency. They only lust for power. War criminals. All of them. The capital is the people's house, not theirs. I will agree, many politicians are contemptible but I believe there are those that are good people and try to do good. |
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Post by code on Dec 8, 2021 4:13:52 GMT
The Federalist papers are not the Actual Amendment PB. True, but they show the debate and the original intent of the founders. I agree they show debate |
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Post by code on Dec 8, 2021 4:15:06 GMT
I was disgusted watching those that broke into the Capital. There are those in DC who didn't fear the law breakers as they rioted and broke with both decorum and law.
That you found it appealing for old people and average citizens to take cover under a desk is disconcerting. You also were watching propaganda. Did you see the video of Trump supporters pointing out Antifa breaking in? Did you see the video of the Capital Police moving the barricades and waving people in? If you watch TV news on a daily basis I think that disqualifies you from having an informed opinion. I don't't think of Rep Dan Crenshaw has a coward or a hack
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Post by walnut on Dec 8, 2021 4:54:53 GMT
You also were watching propaganda. Did you see the video of Trump supporters pointing out Antifa breaking in? Did you see the video of the Capital Police moving the barricades and waving people in? If you watch TV news on a daily basis I think that disqualifies you from having an informed opinion. I don't't think of Rep Dan Crenshaw has a coward or a hack
Take him, I don't trust him or want him. |
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