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Post by missouriboy on Dec 3, 2021 22:15:42 GMT
That seems a parental supervision and instruction problem. Guns are not toys. On the farm the guns were always loaded and they were always in reach by the door. Everybody knew that. They knew that they never touched them until they were old enough and trusted enough to be allowed to. I think my dad and his brothers learned to shoot not long after they learned to walk. They hunted all their lives. My dad taught us to shoot and where the guns were. Rule 1: a gun is always loaded until you personally determine it isn't. Rule #2. Never, ever point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot. Now we have well-paid actors that don't know these basic rules and then lie about it. The inner cities are full of young males with no male role model. No one to teach them ethics much less firearm safety. They learn it from others of the same general age in the hood. Not unlike boys and young men who joined the guerrillas here in the Civil War. Many had family killed by Jayhawkers. Whole families wiped out. They learned their ethics and gun skills in the saddle with the band. Some labeled them the finest light cavalry in the World ... and they were terrors. But as the war went bad and their comrades were killed in battle or executed, many became dead men and came to bad ends. Societies reap what they sow. But my (our) rights don't end because someone else doesn't deserve theirs. I said earlier I grew up with a rifle under my bed, I didn't say I had a box of ammo in my desk drawer which I did. My mother-in-law has a year book from her high school and the photo the captures my attention is the page that shows the school's gun club with a bunch of high school kids AT SCHOOL posing for a photo while clutching their favorite weapon. I am a very strong proponent of firearms training ... both proficiency and safety. I actually believe it would be a good idea to train up every willing citizen. One rquirement. The Federal government should play no part in it ... unless they have some spare training funds. It should be strictly a state function. At the same time, any crime commited with a firearm should automatically earn you a stiff sentence unless there are very extenuating circumstances. I would free up a lot of confinement space by releasing low-level drug convicts (primarily possession) and then fill it up with primarily urban thugs and banditos. A well-regulated militia is drawn from the ranks of the citizenry, and would be useful to all the states. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. |
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Post by walnut on Dec 4, 2021 0:17:29 GMT
Ratty lives in a different time zone. And in a nice area lol
Code is just trolling this right leaning board.
Trolling?! Hey Missouri I grew up with a rifle under my bed. There have been plenty of weapons on both sides of the family, mine and my wife. I am fine with gun ownership, have plenty of friends that own a weapon. I just don't think selling weapons like the Accuracy International – AXMC 338 LM Rifle or the Bushmaster – BA50 to the general population is a good thing.
We keep the guns so that we can protect ourselves from an oppressive and over-stepping Federal Government. So why wouldn't we want the most effective rifles we can get?
A teenagers Marlin 60 22 LR (fast semi-auto action) pierces plywood at 400 yards. In the right hands it's just as lethal as the AXMC 338 and much faster than the Bushmaster bolt action. Sprayed into a crowd who's really going to care which is being used? A hole in a body is the result, dead is dead.
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Post by walnut on Dec 4, 2021 0:52:14 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 4, 2021 1:09:21 GMT
Maybe they could take the engines out.  |
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Post by ratty on Dec 4, 2021 1:11:40 GMT
[ Snip ] A teenagers Marlin 60 22 LR (fast semi-auto action) pierces plywood at 400 yards. In the right hands it's just as lethal as the AXMC 338 and much faster than the Bushmaster bolt action. Sprayed into a crowd who's really going to care which is being used? A hole in a body is the result, dead is dead. And cheaper too! |
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 4, 2021 1:17:51 GMT
[ Snip ] A teenagers Marlin 60 22 LR (fast semi-auto action) pierces plywood at 400 yards. In the right hands it's just as lethal as the AXMC 338 and much faster than the Bushmaster bolt action. Sprayed into a crowd who's really going to care which is being used? A hole in a body is the result, dead is dead. And cheaper too! The Ruger PC Carbine makes a bigger hole. |
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Post by walnut on Dec 4, 2021 1:47:39 GMT
And cheaper too! The Ruger PC Carbine makes a bigger hole. I don't want any holes  |
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Post by walnut on Dec 4, 2021 1:49:10 GMT
[ Snip ] A teenagers Marlin 60 22 LR (fast semi-auto action) pierces plywood at 400 yards. In the right hands it's just as lethal as the AXMC 338 and much faster than the Bushmaster bolt action. Sprayed into a crowd who's really going to care which is being used? A hole in a body is the result, dead is dead. And cheaper too! $150 a pop. I have an idea they'd make a suitable people's rifle for local militias. They are dead on accurate with their micro rifled barrels. Too bad 22LR is consistently scarce. Everyone likes 22LR. |
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Post by code on Dec 4, 2021 3:01:24 GMT
I said earlier I grew up with a rifle under my bed, I didn't say I had a box of ammo in my desk drawer which I did. My mother-in-law has a year book from her high school and the photo the captures my attention is the page that shows the school's gun club with a bunch of high school kids AT SCHOOL posing for a photo while clutching their favorite weapon. I am a very strong proponent of firearms training ... both proficiency and safety. I actually believe it would be a good idea to train up every willing citizen. One rquirement. The Federal government should play no part in it ... unless they have some spare training funds. It should be strictly a state function. At the same time, any crime commited with a firearm should automatically earn you a stiff sentence unless there are very extenuating circumstances. I would free up a lot of confinement space by releasing low-level drug convicts (primarily possession) and then fill it up with primarily urban thugs and banditos. A well-regulated militia is drawn from the ranks of the citizenry, and would be useful to all the states. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. 1) A well regulated...
2) being necessary to (the) security
3) the right of people (which ones? White, Black, Red, Yellow, Free, Slave, men, women? )
So, let's first discuss the meaning of well regulated and then get into the others later. I would like to finish with a discussion of this Federal law vs State rights.
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Post by walnut on Dec 4, 2021 6:11:03 GMT
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Post by pbfoot on Dec 4, 2021 13:14:36 GMT
The discussion of the 2nd amendment is all about punctuation. A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. There was no standing army then, there is now, as well as a hundred or so heavily armed government agencies. The whole point of the constitution was to limit government power. The militia and the people have always been separate.
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 4, 2021 15:27:22 GMT
The discussion of the 2nd amendment is all about punctuation. A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRIMGED. There was no standing army then, there is now, as well as a hundred or so heavily armed government agencies. The whole point of the constitution was to limit government power. The militia and the people have always been separate. The Constitution gives ALL powers to the States AND the people that are NOT SPECIFICALLY stated otherwise. These are NOT negotiable points. We have been engaged in a Federal power creep for all too long now. Time to cut the Commerce Clause down to size. Every State should either raise its own Militia or get a handle on the Federal control of, what before the Civil War, were referred to as THE STATE GUARD. With the exception of the Civil War, the States have always (generally) responded well to a Federal request for support. Current coertion tactics should be replaced with convincing arguments in an environment that recognizes those areas of State sovereignty. Kansas could expect that Missouri would help out if they had a crisis (although historically they don't deserve it  ) |
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 4, 2021 15:39:02 GMT
I am a very strong proponent of firearms training ... both proficiency and safety. I actually believe it would be a good idea to train up every willing citizen. One rquirement. The Federal government should play no part in it ... unless they have some spare training funds. It should be strictly a state function. At the same time, any crime commited with a firearm should automatically earn you a stiff sentence unless there are very extenuating circumstances. I would free up a lot of confinement space by releasing low-level drug convicts (primarily possession) and then fill it up with primarily urban thugs and banditos. A well-regulated militia is drawn from the ranks of the citizenry, and would be useful to all the states. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. 1) A well regulated...
2) being necessary to (the) security
3) the right of people (which ones? White, Black, Red, Yellow, Free, Slave, men, women? )
So, let's first discuss the meaning of well regulated and then get into the others later. I would like to finish with a discussion of this Federal law vs State rights.
There is nothing to discuss as the Federal Government does not have the authority to do anything that is not specifically stated in the Constitution ... and various arguable interpretations in the Supreme Court. If Missouri wishes to raise a Militia for State purposes and pay for it, then we will do so. The meaning of "well-regulated" is for Missouri to say, not for Washington (either one of them  ). Somehow, Blue States always seem to think that they are the only ones that can interpret Rights. |
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Post by walnut on Dec 4, 2021 15:44:26 GMT
To even discuss the matter begins to erode the state's position. Self defense is a natural right and the 2nd amendment reaffirms that.
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Post by gridley on Dec 4, 2021 15:53:14 GMT
To even discuss the matter begins to erode the state's position. Self defense is a natural right and the 2nd amendment reaffirms that. It is notable that the 2nd refers to "THE right to keep and bear arms...". The logical interpretation is that the 2nd was confirming an existing right, not granting a new one. Compare with the language in the oft-forgotten 3rd. |
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