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Post by youngjasper on Dec 2, 2021 16:39:23 GMT
Outlawing guns will be just as effective with the criminals as outlawing murder.
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Post by duwayne on Dec 2, 2021 17:51:44 GMT
Can you be more specific without needing to call a lawyer? If I have to spell it out for you then you are obviously not paying attention. Can you give your information source? |
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Post by acidohm on Dec 2, 2021 18:12:27 GMT
Outlawing guns will be just as effective with the criminals as outlawing murder. Maybe, but if there are less guns maybe less children would be shot in schools by other children. They clearly don't have an issue getting hold if them. |
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Post by blustnmtn on Dec 2, 2021 19:42:44 GMT
I suggest that outlawing firearms in the United States is just as likely as legislating civility and decency standards…Violence in America is directly proportional to the breakdown of the family and the rise of the welfare state. Gun crime statistics like most crime statistics are driven by urban centers. Not my fault.
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 2, 2021 20:55:40 GMT
Outlawing guns will be just as effective with the criminals as outlawing murder. Maybe, but if there are less guns maybe less children would be shot in schools by other children. They clearly don't have an issue getting hold if them. That seems a parental supervision and instruction problem. Guns are not toys. On the farm the guns were always loaded and they were always in reach by the door. Everybody knew that. They knew that they never touched them until they were old enough and trusted enough to be allowed to. I think my dad and his brothers learned to shoot not long after they learned to walk. They hunted all their lives. My dad taught us to shoot and where the guns were. Rule 1: a gun is always loaded until you personally determine it isn't. Rule #2. Never, ever point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot. Now we have well-paid actors that don't know these basic rules and then lie about it. The inner cities are full of young males with no male role model. No one to teach them ethics much less firearm safety. They learn it from others of the same general age in the hood. Not unlike boys and young men who joined the guerrillas here in the Civil War. Many had family killed by Jayhawkers. Whole families wiped out. They learned their ethics and gun skills in the saddle with the band. Some labeled them the finest light cavalry in the World ... and they were terrors. But as the war went bad and their comrades were killed in battle or executed, many became dead men and came to bad ends. Societies reap what they sow. But my (our) rights don't end because someone else doesn't deserve theirs. |
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Post by youngjasper on Dec 2, 2021 21:25:37 GMT
Outlawing guns will be just as effective with the criminals as outlawing murder. Maybe, but if there are less guns maybe less children would be shot in schools by other children. They clearly don't have an issue getting hold if them. There is always something people will use to kill. A car was used to intentionally kill people during a Christmas parade in Waukesha, Wisconsin on Nov 21st. Six died. The problem is not the tools used; it is addressing the individuals who need help. The individual that killed the six people in Waukesha had numerous run-ins with the law. Clearly, the guy had problems. The same goes with any school shooter. This is where the energy and resources should be focused. Help the people that need help.
There are easily available tools all around us that can be used to kill - some much worse than guns because of potential for larger destruction.
Like Sig, I remember in high school many pickups with gun racks that generally had a gun or two in them. It did not scare anyone. We did not have school shootings. |
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Post by ratty on Dec 2, 2021 23:58:50 GMT
Ratty lives in a different time zone. And in a nice area lol
Code is just trolling this right leaning board.
I know. Why I wouldn't take the bait. This is a great board, don't want to get run off after lurking for 8 years or so. I think you're safe, PBF.  |
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Post by walnut on Dec 3, 2021 1:26:47 GMT
Maybe, but if there are less guns maybe less children would be shot in schools by other children. They clearly don't have an issue getting hold if them. That seems a parental supervision and instruction problem. Guns are not toys. On the farm the guns were always loaded and they were always in reach by the door. Everybody knew that. They knew that they never touched them until they were old enough and trusted enough to be allowed to. I think my dad and his brothers learned to shoot not long after they learned to walk. They hunted all their lives. My dad taught us to shoot and where the guns were. Rule 1: a gun is always loaded until you personally determine it isn't. Rule #2. Never, ever point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot. Now we have well-paid actors that don't know these basic rules and then lie about it. The inner cities are full of young males with no male role model. No one to teach them ethics much less firearm safety. They learn it from others of the same general age in the hood. Not unlike boys and young men who joined the guerrillas here in the Civil War. Many had family killed by Jayhawkers. Whole families wiped out. They learned their ethics and gun skills in the saddle with the band. Some labeled them the finest light cavalry in the World ... and they were terrors. But as the war went bad and their comrades were killed in battle or executed, many became dead men and came to bad ends. Societies reap what they sow. But my (our) rights don't end because someone else doesn't deserve theirs.Right on! An American principle. But they think differently on the left coast. |
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Post by ratty on Dec 3, 2021 5:23:29 GMT
That seems a parental supervision and instruction problem. Guns are not toys. On the farm the guns were always loaded and they were always in reach by the door. Everybody knew that. They knew that they never touched them until they were old enough and trusted enough to be allowed to. I think my dad and his brothers learned to shoot not long after they learned to walk. They hunted all their lives. My dad taught us to shoot and where the guns were. Rule 1: a gun is always loaded until you personally determine it isn't. Rule #2. Never, ever point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot. Now we have well-paid actors that don't know these basic rules and then lie about it. The inner cities are full of young males with no male role model. No one to teach them ethics much less firearm safety. They learn it from others of the same general age in the hood. Not unlike boys and young men who joined the guerrillas here in the Civil War. Many had family killed by Jayhawkers. Whole families wiped out. They learned their ethics and gun skills in the saddle with the band. Some labeled them the finest light cavalry in the World ... and they were terrors. But as the war went bad and their comrades were killed in battle or executed, many became dead men and came to bad ends. Societies reap what they sow. But my (our) rights don't end because someone else doesn't deserve theirs.Right on! An American principle. But they think differently on the left coast.  |
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Post by pbfoot on Dec 3, 2021 14:09:04 GMT
I know. Why I wouldn't take the bait. This is a great board, don't want to get run off after lurking for 8 years or so. I think you're safe, PBF. Thank you sir. I watched sadly as the FocusFanatics forum lost several longtime members due to their incivility that spread from the political page to the regular car threads. |
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Post by Sigurdur on Dec 3, 2021 18:59:09 GMT
I think you're safe, PBF. Thank you sir. I watched sadly as the FocusFanatics forum lost several longtime members due to their incivility that spread from the political page to the regular car threads. You don't have to be civil here, you DO have to be factual or we will tear you a new one...........that sound acceptable? Was that civil? I ..........................well................maybe not, but reality is a harsh task master. |
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Post by code on Dec 3, 2021 19:12:43 GMT
If I have to spell it out for you then you are obviously not paying attention. Ratty lives in a different time zone. And in a nice area lol
Code is just trolling this right leaning board.
Trolling?! Hey Missouri I grew up with a rifle under my bed. There have been plenty of weapons on both sides of the family, mine and my wife. I am fine with gun ownership, have plenty of friends that own a weapon. I just don't think selling weapons like the Accuracy International – AXMC 338 LM Rifle or the Bushmaster – BA50 to the general population is a good thing.
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Post by code on Dec 3, 2021 19:16:21 GMT
Maybe, but if there are less guns maybe less children would be shot in schools by other children. They clearly don't have an issue getting hold if them. That seems a parental supervision and instruction problem. Guns are not toys. On the farm the guns were always loaded and they were always in reach by the door. Everybody knew that. They knew that they never touched them until they were old enough and trusted enough to be allowed to. I think my dad and his brothers learned to shoot not long after they learned to walk. They hunted all their lives. My dad taught us to shoot and where the guns were. Rule 1: a gun is always loaded until you personally determine it isn't. Rule #2. Never, ever point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot. Now we have well-paid actors that don't know these basic rules and then lie about it. The inner cities are full of young males with no male role model. No one to teach them ethics much less firearm safety. They learn it from others of the same general age in the hood. Not unlike boys and young men who joined the guerrillas here in the Civil War. Many had family killed by Jayhawkers. Whole families wiped out. They learned their ethics and gun skills in the saddle with the band. Some labeled them the finest light cavalry in the World ... and they were terrors. But as the war went bad and their comrades were killed in battle or executed, many became dead men and came to bad ends. Societies reap what they sow. But my (our) rights don't end because someone else doesn't deserve theirs. I said earlier I grew up with a rifle under my bed, I didn't say I had a box of ammo in my desk drawer which I did. My mother-in-law has a year book from her high school and the photo the captures my attention is the page that shows the school's gun club with a bunch of high school kids AT SCHOOL posing for a photo while clutching their favorite weapon. |
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Post by pbfoot on Dec 3, 2021 20:15:34 GMT
Ratty lives in a different time zone. And in a nice area lol
Code is just trolling this right leaning board.
Trolling?! Hey Missouri I grew up with a rifle under my bed. There have been plenty of weapons on both sides of the family, mine and my wife. I am fine with gun ownership, have plenty of friends that own a weapon. I just don't think selling weapons like the Accuracy International – AXMC 338 LM Rifle or the Bushmaster – BA50 to the general population is a good thing.
What part of shall not be infringed do you not understand? The 2nd amendment was for a very good reason. It has been whittled away for a long time. |
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Post by pbfoot on Dec 3, 2021 20:17:03 GMT
That seems a parental supervision and instruction problem. Guns are not toys. On the farm the guns were always loaded and they were always in reach by the door. Everybody knew that. They knew that they never touched them until they were old enough and trusted enough to be allowed to. I think my dad and his brothers learned to shoot not long after they learned to walk. They hunted all their lives. My dad taught us to shoot and where the guns were. Rule 1: a gun is always loaded until you personally determine it isn't. Rule #2. Never, ever point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot. Now we have well-paid actors that don't know these basic rules and then lie about it. The inner cities are full of young males with no male role model. No one to teach them ethics much less firearm safety. They learn it from others of the same general age in the hood. Not unlike boys and young men who joined the guerrillas here in the Civil War. Many had family killed by Jayhawkers. Whole families wiped out. They learned their ethics and gun skills in the saddle with the band. Some labeled them the finest light cavalry in the World ... and they were terrors. But as the war went bad and their comrades were killed in battle or executed, many became dead men and came to bad ends. Societies reap what they sow. But my (our) rights don't end because someone else doesn't deserve theirs. I said earlier I grew up with a rifle under my bed, I didn't say I had a box of ammo in my desk drawer which I did. My mother-in-law has a year book from her high school and the photo the captures my attention is the page that shows the school's gun club with a bunch of high school kids AT SCHOOL posing for a photo while clutching their favorite weapon. In 1976 when I was a 9th grader the ROTC had a gun range in the attic at the high school. They used 22's. |
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