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Post by walnut on Jan 11, 2024 16:02:18 GMT
As to that drilling machine, most likely you couldn't get one made in the US. We don't make much over here. There is simply no way to compete on price-quality.
Seriously, my eye may not be any better than yours, but from the picture, that looks good and I am suspecting that the quality is good. We will soon see...
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Post by duwayne on Jan 11, 2024 23:03:11 GMT
As to that drilling machine, most likely you couldn't get one made in the US. We don't make much over here. There is simply no way to compete on price-quality. Seriously, my eye may not be any better than yours, but from the picture, that looks good and I am suspecting that the quality is good. We will soon see... Walnut, based on your comments about China I'm a bit surprised at your purchase, but I'm not surprised a what you say above.
Unlike some others, I believe China makes some excellent products including wind turbines, home solar systems and Teslas (which the Car Magazines say are better than those made in other countries). They also make some products which are very "low cost" and quality isn't as high but hopefully acceptable. I'll be interested in your evaluation.
Good luck.
(My favorite Chinese-made product lately is a "Throw" blanket which I put over me on these cold nights as I'm watching TV. I haven't had a better made and more comfortable one and it feels good, particularly at my advanced age.)
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Post by walnut on Jan 11, 2024 23:38:06 GMT
As to that drilling machine, most likely you couldn't get one made in the US. We don't make much over here. There is simply no way to compete on price-quality. Seriously, my eye may not be any better than yours, but from the picture, that looks good and I am suspecting that the quality is good. We will soon see... Walnut, based on your comments about China I'm a bit surprised at your purchase, but I'm not surprised a what you say above.
Unlike some others, I believe China makes some excellent products including wind turbines, home solar systems and Teslas (which the Car Magazines say are better than those made in other countries). They also make some products which are very "low cost" and quality isn't as high but hopefully acceptable. I'll be interested in your evaluation.
Good luck.
(My favorite Chinese-made product lately is a "Throw" blanket which I put over me on these cold nights as I'm watching TV. I haven't had a better made and more comfortable one and it feels good, particularly at my advanced age.)
My problem has never really been with the Chinese people so much as the dynamics of their politics. I have never really had a bad experience with these businesses which I occasionally deal with. And as you might remember, my wife is ethnic Chinese. I will report when or if i get that machine... |
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Jan 12, 2024 20:36:56 GMT
Post by missouriboy on Jan 12, 2024 20:36:56 GMT
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Post by code on Jan 13, 2024 13:59:22 GMT
I just bought a nice somewhat heavy duty core drilling rig directly from China, total delivered price to my yard $2914. It is a significant trailer mounted machine with a diesel engine and two hydraulic systems. At a glance I would estimate the price to be around 20 to $30k for a specialized piece of equipment. How do they do it??? Wish me luck that it works out lol.  Link please? |
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Jan 13, 2024 14:36:13 GMT
Post by walnut on Jan 13, 2024 14:36:13 GMT
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Post by blustnmtn on Jan 13, 2024 16:03:45 GMT
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Post by glennkoks on Jan 14, 2024 14:09:28 GMT
I have no problem with the Chinese people or their products. And I will be the first to say that what they have done economically over the last 30 years economically is nothing short of a miracle. Growing from a third world nation to the worlds second largest economy is impressive. My issues are with their Orwellian form of government that brought you Tiananmen Square and welding people in their apartments during Covid.
As for their products. They are not known for quality but they do manufacture some quality products. I have a cheap Harbor Freight pressure washer my neighbor threw in the trash because it would not start. I got it out of the garbage, cleaned the carburetor and use it everyday to wash my boat. The poor thing stays outside in the rain, heat, cold and starts on the second pull every day. It is a workhorse.
With all that being said the Chinese economic system has deep rooted problems. It starts with a massive oversupply of houses/condos sitting in empty cities that people have invested their life savings in. Their arrogant foreign policy and Orwellian government has sent investors fleeing China in droves. In addition Xi Ping Pong is no free market capitalist and the pressure created by this downturn has forced him into a corner.
History has taught us that cornered dictators are dangerous. I fear for Taiwan and peace in the South China Sea.
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Jan 14, 2024 15:10:18 GMT
Post by walnut on Jan 14, 2024 15:10:18 GMT
The Chinese make some cheap products but they also can make higher-quality products. They have been flooding our market with cheap junk because we have been voting for that cheap junk with our dollars. They're giving us what they damn well know we want.
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Jan 14, 2024 20:13:07 GMT
Post by glennkoks on Jan 14, 2024 20:13:07 GMT
Taiwan has quite possibly elected their last democratic leader. We will see what happens in the days and years to come but I take Xi Ping Pong's threats seriously when he says re-unification with China is inevitable. I don't know if it feels more like 1939 and the threat of war is still a few years away or if it's December 6th, 1941. But I feel this will not end well and the die is cast. Time will tell.
Will we defend Taiwan militarily if they are attacked? I don't think so and sanctions from hell seem to be the most likely outcome.
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Jan 14, 2024 21:18:49 GMT
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Post by Sigurdur on Jan 14, 2024 21:18:49 GMT
Taiwan has quite possibly elected their last democratic leader. We will see what happens in the days and years to come but I take Xi Ping Pong's threats seriously when he says re-unification with China is inevitable. I don't know if it feels more like 1939 and the threat of war is still a few years away or if it's December 6th, 1941. But I feel this will not end well and the die is cast. Time will tell. Will we defend Taiwan militarily if they are attacked? I don't think so and sanctions from hell seem to be the most likely outcome. Sanctions have become ineffective. The world economic structure is changing. |
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Post by walnut on Jan 14, 2024 21:51:59 GMT
I have to disagree Sig. The Chinese economy banking/govt/industry house of cards (shell game) is very tenuous. From China's point of view, the USA has tremendous leverage. If the US could maintain some discipline and enforce sanctions with teeth, they could collapse China to complete chaos and end it. The Chinese spreadsheet array would turn from black to red in a lightning fast domino effect. Panic would ensue by Monday and most loans would be immediately called.
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Post by glennkoks on Jan 15, 2024 2:04:25 GMT
Taiwan has quite possibly elected their last democratic leader. We will see what happens in the days and years to come but I take Xi Ping Pong's threats seriously when he says re-unification with China is inevitable. I don't know if it feels more like 1939 and the threat of war is still a few years away or if it's December 6th, 1941. But I feel this will not end well and the die is cast. Time will tell. Will we defend Taiwan militarily if they are attacked? I don't think so and sanctions from hell seem to be the most likely outcome. Sanctions have become ineffective. The world economic structure is changing. I have to disagree as well Sig. Ineffective sanctions are ineffective by design. The U.S. is still the worlds largest economy and I have no doubt "sanctions from hell" from the U.S. in concert with the EU would take down the entire house of cards. If you need confirmation of this look around your house at the number of things "made in China". |
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Post by walnut on Jan 15, 2024 2:45:21 GMT
Only a small downturn and those highly leveraged manufacturers will no longer be able to make their bank payments. It doesn't take a shut down, just a little more weakness. I think we're already almost there.
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Post by duwayne on Jan 15, 2024 15:36:26 GMT
I have no problem with the Chinese people or their products. And I will be the first to say that what they have done economically over the last 30 years economically is nothing short of a miracle. Growing from a third world nation to the worlds second largest economy is impressive. My issues are with their Orwellian form of government that brought you Tiananmen Square and welding people in their apartments during Covid. As for their products. They are not known for quality but they do manufacture some quality products. I have a cheap Harbor Freight pressure washer my neighbor threw in the trash because it would not start. I got it out of the garbage, cleaned the carburetor and use it everyday to wash my boat. The poor thing stays outside in the rain, heat, cold and starts on the second pull every day. It is a workhorse. With all that being said the Chinese economic system has deep rooted problems. It starts with a massive oversupply of houses/condos sitting in empty cities that people have invested their life savings in. Their arrogant foreign policy and Orwellian government has sent investors fleeing China in droves. In addition Xi Ping Pong is no free market capitalist and the pressure created by this downturn has forced him into a corner. History has taught us that cornered dictators are dangerous. I fear for Taiwan and peace in the South China Sea. Do you believe Xi set the price of Walnut's recent purchase ? What are examples of his price controls? (Check the definition of free market capitalism.)
I'm not a defender of everything Xi does, but from personal experience, the Chinese do a pretty good job of giving freedom to a capitalist economic system although I'd guess there are situations where prices are controlled as there are in the US.
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