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Post by nonentropic on Aug 2, 2021 22:49:45 GMT
so the Hover is impacted??
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Post by missouriboy on Aug 2, 2021 22:55:15 GMT
The July rainfall numbers for Tucson are in. I'm going to tell my University of Arizona professor friend who predicted a super dry summer that he needs to admit that the models at a minimum are useless. I have little doubt the explanation for the extra water will be that a warmer atmosphere holds more water and that although drier would be expected extremes are also a sign of GW. When the only tool in your tool kit is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail. |
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Post by missouriboy on Aug 2, 2021 23:05:47 GMT
so the Hover is impacted?? Down and down she goes. Las Vegas will be drinking sand.   |
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Post by walnut on Aug 3, 2021 2:26:01 GMT
I have been wondering about Lakes Mead and Powell levels- is this all due to drought, or how much is due to increased water releases or draws to support urban growth and increased agricultural use? I looked for information once but never really found answers.
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Post by missouriboy on Aug 3, 2021 3:51:27 GMT
I have been wondering about Lakes Mead and Powell levels- is this all due to drought, or how much is due to increased water releases or draws to support urban growth and increased agricultural use? I looked for information once but never really found answers. In the West, whiskey is for drinkin and water is for fightin over. (Mark Twain) The Colorado is the most regulated river in the United States . Every single drop of that River's flow is owned by somebody under western water law based on prior appropriation, complicated by the Colorado Basin Compact and treaty with Mexico. In 1922, the states and the federal government created the Colorado River compact, which divided the Colorado River Basin into the Upper (Wyoming, Utah, Colorado, and New Mexico) and Lower (Nevada, California, and Arizona) Basin; each basin receiving 7.5 million MAF of water rights entitlements. If their is a shortage, junior users lose their rights first. That likely means Arizona and Nevada before California. Unfortunately, the compact allocations were made based on a period of high flow. Water stored in Lake Powell and Lake Mead are essentially being mined to maintain downstream allocations. Interesting times a-comin. wrrc.arizona.edu/publications/arroyo-newsletter/sharing-colorado-river-water-history-public-policy-and-colorado-river |
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Post by walnut on Aug 3, 2021 12:44:11 GMT
I have been wondering about Lakes Mead and Powell levels- is this all due to drought, or how much is due to increased water releases or draws to support urban growth and increased agricultural use? I looked for information once but never really found answers. In the West, whiskey is for drinkin and water is for fightin over. (Mark Twain) The Colorado is the most regulated river in the United States . Every single drop of that River's flow is owned by somebody under western water law based on prior appropriation, complicated by the Colorado Basin Compact and treaty with Mexico. In 1922, the states and the federal government created the Colorado River compact, which divided the Colorado River Basin into the Upper (Wyoming, Utah, Colorado, and New Mexico) and Lower (Nevada, California, and Arizona) Basin; each basin receiving 7.5 million MAF of water rights entitlements. If their is a shortage, junior users lose their rights first. That likely means Arizona and Nevada before California. Unfortunately, the compact allocations were made based on a period of high flow. Water stored in Lake Powell and Lake Mead are essentially being mined to maintain downstream allocations. Interesting times a-comin. wrrc.arizona.edu/publications/arroyo-newsletter/sharing-colorado-river-water-history-public-policy-and-colorado-riverI think it's possible that the water is being used at an increasing rate. It would be quite a project to account for river inflows, dam releases for downstream agriculture, and water being piped to Las Vegas and Southern California cities.
If the system has come to be even slightly out of equilibrium due to human demands, the lakes are going to begin to draw down.
I wish that I had boated on amazing Lake Powell, while it still existed.
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Post by Sigurdur on Aug 3, 2021 14:54:40 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Aug 3, 2021 15:32:41 GMT
In the West, whiskey is for drinkin and water is for fightin over. (Mark Twain) The Colorado is the most regulated river in the United States . Every single drop of that River's flow is owned by somebody under western water law based on prior appropriation, complicated by the Colorado Basin Compact and treaty with Mexico. In 1922, the states and the federal government created the Colorado River compact, which divided the Colorado River Basin into the Upper (Wyoming, Utah, Colorado, and New Mexico) and Lower (Nevada, California, and Arizona) Basin; each basin receiving 7.5 million MAF of water rights entitlements. If their is a shortage, junior users lose their rights first. That likely means Arizona and Nevada before California. Unfortunately, the compact allocations were made based on a period of high flow. Water stored in Lake Powell and Lake Mead are essentially being mined to maintain downstream allocations. Interesting times a-comin. wrrc.arizona.edu/publications/arroyo-newsletter/sharing-colorado-river-water-history-public-policy-and-colorado-riverI think it's possible that the water is being used at an increasing rate. It would be quite a project to account for river inflows, dam releases for downstream agriculture, and water being piped to Las Vegas and Southern California cities.
If the system has come to be even slightly out of equilibrium due to human demands, the lakes are going to begin to draw down.
I wish that I had boated on amazing Lake Powell, while it still existed.
Back in the 1980s I and a couple of friends used to rent 25-ft skiffs with a 25 hp engine out of Bullfrog marina and boatcamp the slickrock canyons in the middle stretch of Lake Powell. My only regret is I never got to see Glenn Canyon before it was flooded out. No place like it in the World. |
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Post by blustnmtn on Aug 4, 2021 12:09:47 GMT
I think it's possible that the water is being used at an increasing rate. It would be quite a project to account for river inflows, dam releases for downstream agriculture, and water being piped to Las Vegas and Southern California cities.
If the system has come to be even slightly out of equilibrium due to human demands, the lakes are going to begin to draw down.
I wish that I had boated on amazing Lake Powell, while it still existed.
Back in the 1980s I and a couple of friends used to rent 25-ft skiffs with a 25 hp engine out of Bullfrog marina and boatcamp the slickrock canyons in the middle stretch of Lake Powell. My only regret is I never got to see Glenn Canyon before it was flooded out. No place like it in the World. What’s interesting is the history of John Wesley Powell’s missions to explore the area after the Civil War and the completion of the transcontinental railroad. The Federal Government wanted to push settlement west and hoped the vast area could support civilization. Powell’s missions proved otherwise but “Head West Young Man” won the day. |
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Post by missouriboy on Aug 4, 2021 14:49:36 GMT
Back in the 1980s I and a couple of friends used to rent 25-ft skiffs with a 25 hp engine out of Bullfrog marina and boatcamp the slickrock canyons in the middle stretch of Lake Powell. My only regret is I never got to see Glenn Canyon before it was flooded out. No place like it in the World. What’s interesting is the history of John Wesley Powell’s missions to explore the area after the Civil War and the completion of the transcontinental railroad. The Federal Government wanted to push settlement west and hoped the vast area could support civilization. Powell’s missions proved otherwise but “Head West Young Man” won the day. The allure of a New World frontier settled a whole continent in about 100 years. By that I mean the primary framework was laid out and initially filled in from the end of the Revolution (~1783) to the end of the Wild West in the 1890s. The next 100 years was spent in decorating and comfortizing the elements of the structure. And the last 30 in dumbing down the elements and deciding where and when to burn it all down. History takes no prisoners amongst those who stray from the productive, logical path. |
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Post by missouriboy on Aug 13, 2021 0:53:54 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Aug 19, 2021 15:54:18 GMT
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Post by blustnmtn on Aug 22, 2021 20:41:37 GMT
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Post by walnut on Aug 22, 2021 21:12:30 GMT
17" of rain wow
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Post by missouriboy on Aug 23, 2021 5:13:50 GMT
Humphrey's County is about 40 miles west of Nashville. The floods happened yesterday (8/21). We were driving back from Florida heading NE on I-24 out of Chattanooga through to St Louis today (morning 8/22). This morning heading over the high ridges flanking the Tennessee River on the north, the clouds were below ridge-top level, misty and light rain with temps in the low 70s. We hadn't heard about the floods, but encountered heavy rain on our approach to Murfreesboro and Nashville. Very cool for this time of year. The N-NW facing valleys just over the crest are beautiful heading down into the Tullahoma. I expect someone to blame this on CO2 ... although unseasonably cool arctic air in conflict with warm humid southern air masses would be a better guess for anyone with some brains. Big Monsoon season in Flagstaff as well. watchers.news/2021/08/19/record-rainfall-hits-burn-scar-areas-in-flagstaff-arizona/ |
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