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Post by Jane in the centre of England on Jul 20, 2022 12:24:50 GMT
Thank you all for your responses. Lots to follow up here! I have to say that after my previous questions about cosmic rays and sunspot cycles, I have my doubts about the significance of sunspot counts as a measure of solar influence on the planet. I prefer to follow the Oulu cosmic ray chart (re the comparison of SOI and solar cycles). I wonder if people living in Brazil (the centre of the South Atlantic Anomaly) have any registrations of the effect of living in a weaker geomagnetic field. It knocks out satellites and caused that Air France jet to drop out of the sky a few years ago. What is the effect on humans and the rest of organic life? Also, there is a comment in this article www.archyde.com/scientists-say-that-the-earths-magnetic-poles-most-likely-will-not-flip/, that the geomagnetic field has been historically strong, so it is declining from a high. However, the most important factor here, it seems to me, is the rate of change. And it is changing fast. In my previous job I investigated ferro-, dia- and paramagnetism. I remember reading that the atmosphere is paramagnetic, which means that it takes on the properties of a field when it is exposed to it, but is unable to hold it. So, what I need is a historical measure of geomagnetic field intensity, to compare with other trends. The trouble is, this varies so much over the planet that I wonder if it is even possible to have a meaningful measure. Another thought: bird migration. They navigate by the geomagnetic field, I believe. Has there been an increase in migrating birds losing their way? The first random thoughts. |
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Post by nonentropic on Jul 20, 2022 19:45:35 GMT
Hi Jane. The magnetic pole looks to be important as you have observed, the question in my mind is, where is the axis of the magnetic pole, and does the axis exit and entry point have an impact on the climate most specifically.
Thinking of Svensmark are intergalactic particles directed to a region as a consequence.
I think we know that the most critical planetary focus point is the North Atlantic due to ventilation of the Arctic or not, this is due to both sea currents and wind.
Seen nothing written on this stuff specifically.
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Post by missouriboy on Jul 20, 2022 19:52:54 GMT
Ben Davidson of Suspicious Observers seems to have done quite a lot on that issue. You might want to browse through his videos if you haven't already.
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Post by ratty on Jul 21, 2022 1:30:09 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Jul 21, 2022 3:48:02 GMT
Number 4 is very good and allows you to download a pdf to dropbox. I'd share but the requirements are that I can't. It's worth downloading. I found these two linked to Number 3: hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/search?q=svensmark www.scienpress.com/Upload/GEO/Vol%205_4_2.pdf - this one came from the comments and looks interesting. And not a Mann to be found amongst the collaborators.   |
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Post by ratty on Jul 21, 2022 4:10:14 GMT
#4 can be read online here: |
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Post by Jane in the centre of England on Jul 21, 2022 7:38:16 GMT
Fantastic, thank you all. Even more to explore. Plus, another ingredient is the jet stream, which I have only a sketchy understanding of. BBC weather said it was instrumental in the heatwave earlier this week in Europe. Here is an explanation: www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/62192941My sketchy understanding of the jet stream is that it responds to temperature changes in the stratosphere, which itself heats up when there is an increase in sunspot activity (through ozone absorbing ultraviolet readiation). When the stratosphere cools down, the jet stream starts to meander, which allows the polar vortex to move south or equatorial weather to move north, as happened earlier this week. Which makes me wonder, does the weakening geomagnetic field play a part in this? Is it normal for the jet stream to meander at this stage in the solar cycle, when sunspot activity is increasing? |
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Post by blustnmtn on Jul 21, 2022 10:03:09 GMT
Fantastic, thank you all. Even more to explore. Plus, another ingredient is the jet stream, which I have only a sketchy understanding of. BBC weather said it was instrumental in the heatwave earlier this week in Europe. Here is an explanation: www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/62192941My sketchy understanding of the jet stream is that it responds to temperature changes in the stratosphere, which itself heats up when there is an increase in sunspot activity (through ozone absorbing ultraviolet readiation). When the stratosphere cools down, the jet stream starts to meander, which allows the polar vortex to move south or equatorial weather to move north, as happened earlier this week. Which makes me wonder, does the weakening geomagnetic field play a part in this? Is it normal for the jet stream to meander at this stage in the solar cycle, when sunspot activity is increasing? A thread that you may be interested in: solarcycle25com.proboards.com/thread/55/sudden-stratospheric-warming |
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Post by ratty on Jul 21, 2022 10:24:29 GMT
Fantastic, thank you all. Even more to explore. Plus, another ingredient is the jet stream, which I have only a sketchy understanding of. BBC weather said it was instrumental in the heatwave earlier this week in Europe. Here is an explanation: www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/62192941My sketchy understanding of the jet stream is that it responds to temperature changes in the stratosphere, which itself heats up when there is an increase in sunspot activity (through ozone absorbing ultraviolet readiation). When the stratosphere cools down, the jet stream starts to meander, which allows the polar vortex to move south or equatorial weather to move north, as happened earlier this week. Which makes me wonder, does the weakening geomagnetic field play a part in this? Is it normal for the jet stream to meander at this stage in the solar cycle, when sunspot activity is increasing? Complex isn't it? That's why CO2 has ben singled out ... IMNSHO.  |
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Post by flearider on Jul 21, 2022 10:51:45 GMT
Fantastic, thank you all. Even more to explore. Plus, another ingredient is the jet stream, which I have only a sketchy understanding of. BBC weather said it was instrumental in the heatwave earlier this week in Europe. Here is an explanation: www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/62192941My sketchy understanding of the jet stream is that it responds to temperature changes in the stratosphere, which itself heats up when there is an increase in sunspot activity (through ozone absorbing ultraviolet readiation). When the stratosphere cools down, the jet stream starts to meander, which allows the polar vortex to move south or equatorial weather to move north, as happened earlier this week. Which makes me wonder, does the weakening geomagnetic field play a part in this? Is it normal for the jet stream to meander at this stage in the solar cycle, when sunspot activity is increasing? the jet stream is in motion all the time depending on solar and distance ..tilt of the earth .. highs and lows .. thats why the smartest ai still gets it wrong  |
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Post by missouriboy on Jul 21, 2022 15:16:41 GMT
Re-found this on the old site. Wonder why it's sooo hot in western Europe? Can some genius out there tell me how to capture a long data set from the underlying data base for specific locations? So they can be compared over longer time periods.
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Post by Sigurdur on Jul 21, 2022 15:26:18 GMT
Trying to remember the fellows name that tied jet stream placement to solar.
Which of course, is an outlandish idea to CO2 faithful.
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Post by Sigurdur on Jul 21, 2022 15:27:39 GMT
Re-found this on the old site. Wonder why it's sooo hot in western Europe? Can some genius out there tell me how to capture a long data set from the underlying data base for specific locations? So they can be compared over longer time periods.
Look at those Rosby waves!! MJO movement!! |
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Post by Jane in the centre of England on Jul 22, 2022 10:34:51 GMT
Trying to remember the fellows name that tied jet stream placement to solar. Which of course, is an outlandish idea to CO2 faithful. Are you thinking of Mike Lockwood of the University of Reading? Spookily enough, I came across his name two days ago. |
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Post by Sigurdur on Jul 22, 2022 11:38:47 GMT
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