Solar Cycle 25

[missouriboy]

May 7, 2023 22:03:02 GMT acidohm said:

Does anyone know if the plane of orbit of major planets in our solar system are oscillating from the horizontal enough that they may exert a phase shift on hemispheric tidal forces on the sun?

Here's bary again....been a while...

I believe there was one or more threads on the old Solarcycle24 site specifically dedicated to Bary and other such issues.  Don't remember specific sun effects.  Lots of speculation.  But even their speculation may be an order of magnitude better than what passes for climate science in certain dens of climate theology in NOAA and NASA.

[ratty]

May 7, 2023 22:03:02 GMT acidohm said:

Does anyone know if the plane of orbit of major planets in our solar system are oscillating from the horizontal enough that they may exert a phase shift on hemispheric tidal forces on the sun?

Here's bary again....been a while...

That's a very good question and not answered here: Do all planets orbit in a flat plane around their suns?

The answer is yes … and no. Keep reading.

Here’s the yes part of the answer, beginning with another astronomy definition; the Earth-sun plane is called the ecliptic. Most major planets in our solar system stay within 3 degrees of the ecliptic. Mercury is the exception; its orbit is inclined to the ecliptic by 7 degrees. The dwarf planet Pluto is a widely known exception to this rule. Its orbit is inclined to the ecliptic by more than 17 degrees.

It makes sense that most large planets in our solar system stay near the ecliptic plane. Our solar system is believed to be about 4 1/2 billion years old. It’s thought to have arisen from an amorphous cloud of gas and dust in space. The original cloud was spinning, and this spin caused it to flatten out into a disk shape. The sun and planets are believed to have formed out of this disk, which is why, today, the planets still orbit in a single plane around our sun.

[ratty]

May 7, 2023 21:59:29 GMT acidohm said:

May 7, 2023 18:51:38 GMT duwayne said:

Acidolm, you point out for good reason there may a better measurement of the sun's activity than the maximum sunspot number and I guess you feel the number this year may be lower than Svalgaard's prediction.  If so, do you have a prediction on what "Acidolm's Gap" might be?

Caveat....I'm just chewing information and analysing data because I do so compulsively. I'm lucky/grateful person's here share my interests and help by agreeing or constructively criticise, either is welcome!

Currently my posts are in response to live data and I'm hypothesising on this. I don't see any gaps, it looks like the formation of a single peak. Possibly, we've past the peak, possibly not definitely.

I offer no forecast on what any future peak may be, if the peak has past it is by default lower then svalgaards prediction.

I havnt seen anything out there stating what I have, which is perhaps my neglect in searching enough. I may well be wrong in the outcome, time will tell.

On the plus side, as I've got excited and looked more into the hemisphere side of things, hopefully some interesting info has been dredged out?

I will never be an expert on anything but this forum keeps my mind active and fills in some of the G-a-p-s in my knowledge.

Thank you all ...

[acidohm]

May 7, 2023 23:23:45 GMT ratty said:

May 7, 2023 22:03:02 GMT acidohm said:

Does anyone know if the plane of orbit of major planets in our solar system are oscillating from the horizontal enough that they may exert a phase shift on hemispheric tidal forces on the sun?

Here's bary again....been a while...

That's a very good question and not answered here: Do all planets orbit in a flat plane around their suns?

The answer is yes … and no. Keep reading.

Here’s the yes part of the answer, beginning with another astronomy definition; the Earth-sun plane is called the ecliptic. Most major planets in our solar system stay within 3 degrees of the ecliptic. Mercury is the exception; its orbit is inclined to the ecliptic by 7 degrees. The dwarf planet Pluto is a widely known exception to this rule. Its orbit is inclined to the ecliptic by more than 17 degrees.

It makes sense that most large planets in our solar system stay near the ecliptic plane. Our solar system is believed to be about 4 1/2 billion years old. It’s thought to have arisen from an amorphous cloud of gas and dust in space. The original cloud was spinning, and this spin caused it to flatten out into a disk shape. The sun and planets are believed to have formed out of this disk, which is why, today, the planets still orbit in a single plane around our sun.

Thx Ratty, that is inline with what brief searches I did concluded, all planes look aligned...I just wasn't sure if that was a simplification or not.

I'd assume a 3° difference would be enough to create a periodic shift in solar hemispheric activity....

For what it's worth, this is a nice animated graphic of the relationship in Jupiter and Saturn orbits.

[ratty]

May 8, 2023 5:47:31 GMT acidohm said:

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For what it's worth, this is a nice animated graphic of the relationship in Jupiter and Saturn orbits.

Thanks. Thirty-eight seconds is about the limit of my attention span these days.

[flearider]

May 7, 2023 22:03:02 GMT acidohm said:

Does anyone know if the plane of orbit of major planets in our solar system are oscillating from the horizontal enough that they may exert a phase shift on hemispheric tidal forces on the sun?

Here's bary again....been a while...

yes and no ...  i think it's the one thing we forget .. i suppose at any time something might happen 
and this one for bary 3.30mins in 

[Sigurdur]

[vk4khp]

G'Day Folks.
What are you thoughts, on Earth spots.

[missouriboy]

May 19, 2023 2:32:43 GMT vk4khp said:

G'Day Folks.
What are you thoughts, on Earth spots.

Don't know about Earth spots.  Did find this while looking.  Seem   seismo.berkeley.edu/wiki_br/Main_Page

Ya got this one Ratty? 

[nonentropic]

so what are they recording.

My geophysicist mate did a lot of his PhD on Magnetotellurics and the earths conductivity is variable, is this what is recorded here such that the earth electrical flux which is considerable is concentrated by conductivity and or magnetics.
I can see no obvious mechanism.

[ratty]

May 20, 2023 4:46:52 GMT missouriboy said:

May 19, 2023 2:32:43 GMT vk4khp said:

G'Day Folks.
What are you thoughts, on Earth spots.

Don't know about Earth spots.  Did find this while looking.  Seem   seismo.berkeley.edu/wiki_br/Main_Page

Ya got this one Ratty? 

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I was very disturbed this morning to find one of these in one of my faourite spots:

[youngjasper]

Moboy, your graphs (previous pages - its been a while for me being on the board) are freaking great. They truly help give some perspective on all things solar-cycle and stimulate thinking on the potential relationships. Thanks for taking the time to do those!

[missouriboy]

May 20, 2023 6:17:25 GMT nonentropic said:

so what are they recording.

My geophysicist mate did a lot of his PhD on Magnetotellurics and the earths conductivity is variable, is this what is recorded here such that the earth electrical flux which is considerable is concentrated by conductivity and or magnetics.
I can see no obvious mechanism.

Here is an explanation page of sorts ...  seismo.berkeley.edu/wiki_br/Main_Page

[ratty]

May 21, 2023 0:40:18 GMT youngjasper said:

Moboy, your graphs (previous pages - its been a while for me being on the board) are freaking great. They truly help give some perspective on all things solar-cycle and stimulate thinking on the potential relationships. Thanks for taking the time to do those!

I'm still working on getting him a pay rise: He deserves it!

[nonentropic]

Thanks MB so basically an acoustic velocity/conductivity thing.