Climate science discussion

[blustnmtn]

Nov 7, 2022 12:04:17 GMT gridley said:

Nov 7, 2022 11:33:41 GMT douglavers said:

Somehow, I rather doubt that the Asian nations will be contributing. They think the West is mad.

Can you offer any evidence that the West *isn't* mad?

Speaking for myself only....I am mad, extremely mad.

[walnut]

I hate to feel always like a conspiracy theorist, but there seems to be some cabal controlling policy decisions, and the cabal wants to reduce the size of the western economies.

[blustnmtn]

Nov 7, 2022 15:04:10 GMT walnut said:

I hate to feel always like a conspiracy theorist, but there seems to be some cabal controlling policy decisions, and the cabal wants to reduce the size of the western economies.

It's being done TO us, not FOR us.

[douglavers]

[Can you offer any evidence that the West *isn't* mad?]

Only if the climate model forecasts suddenly start being right.

[Sigurdur]

SCIENCE DEMANDS THAT FACT & THEORY AGREE
The existing global climate theory, that CO2 acts as a climate driver, is not in agreement with the known global climate history preserved in the geological climate record. If theory & observation were in perfect agreement, we would all be convinced of CO2's relevance & the theories veracity. Fact & theory would be in agreement & climate science would be able to provide convincing factual

www.dr-robert-fagan.com/

[ratty]

Posted verbatim from my seniors' forum ....

Remember when the Climo cult wagged the finger about conflating weather with climate??
Now it seems their primary 'proof' of climate change is ... dodgy weather.

Go figure eh?

[rant alert]

The true agenda of the Climate change hoax is surfacing slowly like a bloated corpse in a swamp.

Even Greta has unveiled her inner commie.
It remains to be seen if her recent shrug off of the "extinction of life on Earth" impact of the 'climate' will serve it's purpose.

Is it enough to refocus her acolytes' minds onto the socialist version of the 'catastrophe'. ?
This COP27 signals the next step in the The Great Reset.

Will the cultists recover from the fear and shock of the porn weather to move on to donating their wealth to other countries as sacrifice to 'conscience' instead of to the Climate gods?

They'll pay to save themselves, but to save someone else?? Prollynot.

Will the woken wonderkind deem their virtue signalling change of direction sufficient to stop the planet combusting??

Somehow giving up drinking straws to benefit African Gunpublic Dictators doesn't seem as saintly as "doing it for the environment".

Greta may have her work cut out for her on that one.
Now it's not about species 'dhyyyyink" it's about ... surprise surprise.. transferal of wealth to those 'poor countries most impacted by climate change' brought about solely because those wicked Western nations are capitalists. wtf??
But Greta, how dare you? what happened to those predictions of doom?? Has the climate hired an accountant??

Not trying to stop it changing any more then Greta?? Shrugged that bit off, we're down to the money now eh?

Ah yes, "The Great Reset". Reset the wealth from all those countries holding civilization together, to 3rd World despots who are up to their ears in hock to Beijing! Like Samoa

Once they get all (OUR) money, supposedly to build coffer dams around their (not) "sinking islands", Beijing will call in the loans!

And the "climate reparation" money paid to them by idiots like us!!!... Watching YOU Albo!! ... will be the cash luckily in their kitty ready to hand over to Uncle Xi. How "lucky" is that eh?

In turn China will welcome them into the glorious Communist sphere of influence and Socialists will wonder what hit them when the Communists just kick them back into the crowd as the "useful idiots" they've so dutifully been.

"Nooooooooooo!" they'll whinge. This isn't how it was supposed to go! We didn't really know what the hell we were doing but we didn't think it was this!"
Doh.UndecidedHuh

Gives you the warm and fuzzies to know that your taxes are being funneled through the UN, skimmed there, then sent on to rotten Republics and Island kingdoms to enrich the worst of people who have risen to the top of their societies, to stuff into their slush funds until Xi beckons them to cough it up. oh yeah, bathe in that warm shower of virtue beams, suckers.

We've really been careless about who we 'believe' and who we vote for haven't we?
Just look at what passes for World Leaders these days.
It isn't only cream that rises to the top, so does scum.

Scum appears naturally, it's a sustainable and pervasive bio-ecological process. I guess that makes scum more environmentally approved.
Hence it's predominance in the Greens.

Cream requires some anthropogenic processing so there's a lot less of it. Cool

And then there's old mate Antonio Guterres . UN chief parasite.

The ex Socialist PM of Portugal, moved up to bestow his agenda over the UN and practice all his Marxy moves on being boss of the whole worrrrrld!

He's still revving up the alarmism, hasn't given up like Greta, he's called it "the tipping point". Must be a bloody wide point, we've been tipping on it for at least the last 20 years!

But go up a gear Antonio old son, there, that one... vrooom, now we're on the Highway to Hell!! wow scary stuff.
Sure to keep some poor 8 year old awake taking panic attacks every time the wind rattles a window.

But somehow, the "not doing enough" has, like Greta, shifted from "stop burning coal" to, yep, time to start up that paying 'reparation' money to small despots solution. (They need more money to buy more coal and oil to keep air cons going apparently) .. And we must do it now!
No more mucking about you Aussies! Give it to us now before everyone wakes up that they're being fleeced!
woops, before, er... Idea Because we're speeding towards climate chaos with our foot on the accelerator!! Onya Antonio, nice save.

... hey, no ..no no, that's not me going OTT. That's what he said!!


and for those sure it's all taken out of context, a longer version.



I'm going to need some time to process how giving that fat Samoan dude a box of cash and free assault rifles is going to placate the climate.

Never mind, Guterres has it all figured out. He was an instructor in Physics. So he'd know all the science right? Possibly nearly as well as he knows the politics. Cool

[Sigurdur]

agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/2021GL093961

Research Letter
Drivers of Global Clear Sky Surface Downwelling Longwave Irradiance Trends From 1984 to 2017

[missouriboy]

Nov 13, 2022 19:28:22 GMT Sigurdur said:

agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/2021GL093961

Research Letter
Drivers of Global Clear Sky Surface Downwelling Longwave Irradiance Trends From 1984 to 2017

And the oceans are a major contributor of CO2 to the atmosphere.  Warning oceans hold less CO2.  As do the coastal up-welling CO2 chimneys.  Pulled a sizeable chunk of human emissions in 20-21, and Mauna Loa sensors didn't blink.  The models are offal.

[ratty]

Nov 13, 2022 23:25:36 GMT missouriboy said:

Nov 13, 2022 19:28:22 GMT Sigurdur said:

agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/2021GL093961

Research Letter
Drivers of Global Clear Sky Surface Downwelling Longwave Irradiance Trends From 1984 to 2017

And the oceans are a major contributor of CO2 to the atmosphere.  WarningWarming oceans hold less CO2.  As do the coastal up-welling CO2 chimneys.  Pulled a sizeable chunk of human emissions in 20-21, and Mauna Loa sensors didn't blink.  The models are offal.

Fixed it for ya .....

[Sigurdur]

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[Sigurdur]

Water vapor is also the most important greenhouse gas in the atmosphere.

earthobservatory.nasa.gov/global-maps/MYDAL2_M_SKY_WV

[ratty]

Take a look inside the United Nations climate summit in Egypt: luxury resorts, world leaders, bad food, and long lines

Twelve days in luxury resorts, 35000 attendees and no debate or discussion of 'the science'?

[gridley]

Nov 20, 2022 22:41:11 GMT ratty said:

Take a look inside the United Nations climate summit in Egypt: luxury resorts, world leaders, bad food, and long lines

Twelve days in luxury resorts, 35000 attendees and no debate or discussion of 'the science'?

Has honest debate *ever* been encouraged in Egypt?

"...when Pharoh's around, you get down on the ground,

"If you ever find yourself near Ramses, get down on your knees."

[missouriboy]

Nov 20, 2022 22:41:11 GMT ratty said:

Take a look inside the United Nations climate summit in Egypt: luxury resorts, world leaders, bad food, and long lines

Twelve days in luxury resorts, 35000 attendees and no debate or discussion of 'the science'?

The science is settled Ratty.  How Dare You!    When you are down to Dogma you're out of brains ... and ethics.

[blustnmtn]

An in depth essay today on Dr. Curry’s site regarding the complexity of modeling the Earth’s climate, publishing bias coupled with over confidence:

“This post lays out in fairly complete detail some basic facts about Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) modeling. This technology is the core of all general circulation models of the atmosphere and oceans, and hence global climate models (GCMs). I discuss some common misconceptions about these models, which lead to overconfidence in these simulations. This situation is related to the replication crisis in science generally, whereby much of the literature is affected by selection and positive results bias.”

judithcurry.com/2022/12/02/colorful-fluid-dynamics-and-overconfidence-in-global-climate-models/

Enjoy!