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Post by blustnmtn on Dec 31, 2021 13:59:33 GMT
“That's alright Blu. I have read several similar. I once found (and now can't) a document that detailed the exhumation of Union dead at Shiloh when they were being reburied in the new National Cemetery in 1866. Very detailed. Every item found with every body and observations. There were at least two female bodies found in the unit-specific trench graves. I had three distant relatives that fought at Shiloh (1 Union, 2 Confederate). All three died there. The two Confederates are likely buried somewhere in the mass burial trenches on the battle field. The Union relative is buried in the National Cemetery. I couldn't initially find him when I visited and perused the burials list. Finally found him. They misspelled his last name ... both on the register and on his stone. Brings to mind General Sherman's quote: "I think I understand what military fame is; to be killed on the field of battle and have your name misspelled in the newspapers". I got the Park staff to make a note on the register indicating his real surname. They probably won't change the stone.”
I think we have folks that fought on both sides too. All Union so far but my paternal grandfather came from the Baltimore area with family roots way back. Lots of “Old Dominion” residents in the checkered family tree. My sister is doing all the tracing. My wife’s family is all New England. I actually have a 1860 Army in VG condition from her family. It has military cartouches in the grips and all matching serial #’s. Came from one of her ancestors that mustered in and out in Massachusetts.
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Post by blustnmtn on Dec 31, 2021 16:05:25 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 31, 2021 16:50:31 GMT
“That's alright Blu. I have read several similar. I once found (and now can't) a document that detailed the exhumation of Union dead at Shiloh when they were being reburied in the new National Cemetery in 1866. Very detailed. Every item found with every body and observations. There were at least two female bodies found in the unit-specific trench graves. I had three distant relatives that fought at Shiloh (1 Union, 2 Confederate). All three died there. The two Confederates are likely buried somewhere in the mass burial trenches on the battle field. The Union relative is buried in the National Cemetery. I couldn't initially find him when I visited and perused the burials list. Finally found him. They misspelled his last name ... both on the register and on his stone. Brings to mind General Sherman's quote: "I think I understand what military fame is; to be killed on the field of battle and have your name misspelled in the newspapers". I got the Park staff to make a note on the register indicating his real surname. They probably won't change the stone.” I think we have folks that fought on both sides too. All Union so far but my paternal grandfather came from the Baltimore area with family roots way back. Lots of “Old Dominion” residents in the checkered family tree. My sister is doing all the tracing. My wife’s family is all New England. I actually have a 1860 Army in VG condition from her family. It has military cartouches in the grips and all matching serial #’s. Came from one of her ancestors that mustered in and out in Massachusetts. "Tidewater" Maryland and Virginia were very connected both economically and socially. But was a transistion zone between the distinctly Puritan/Saxon northeast and the Loyalist South. The Chesapeake bay was a natural focal point in the 1600-1700 settlement timeframe. See Collin Woodward's book: American Nations. There were many Eastern Marylanders that joined Confederate forces after Lincoln crushed the pro-South riots in 1861, so it would not be surprising for you to find a rebel or two. www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/10-facts-baltimore-civil-warMy paternal ancestors settled in Tidewater VA, on the Rappahannock River. Thank God for our relatively rare surname (and previous ancestral studies), which made it much easier for me to search the military and social records. If our surname had been Smith, I would have been lost.  The Confederate military records have been "professionally" collected and annotated. Much interest in this over the past decades. More extensive in the Eastern armies than for the Western. These can be accessed (for a fee) on www.fold3.com/ |
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Post by blustnmtn on Dec 31, 2021 16:58:26 GMT
“That's alright Blu. I have read several similar. I once found (and now can't) a document that detailed the exhumation of Union dead at Shiloh when they were being reburied in the new National Cemetery in 1866. Very detailed. Every item found with every body and observations. There were at least two female bodies found in the unit-specific trench graves. I had three distant relatives that fought at Shiloh (1 Union, 2 Confederate). All three died there. The two Confederates are likely buried somewhere in the mass burial trenches on the battle field. The Union relative is buried in the National Cemetery. I couldn't initially find him when I visited and perused the burials list. Finally found him. They misspelled his last name ... both on the register and on his stone. Brings to mind General Sherman's quote: "I think I understand what military fame is; to be killed on the field of battle and have your name misspelled in the newspapers". I got the Park staff to make a note on the register indicating his real surname. They probably won't change the stone.” I think we have folks that fought on both sides too. All Union so far but my paternal grandfather came from the Baltimore area with family roots way back. Lots of “Old Dominion” residents in the checkered family tree. My sister is doing all the tracing. My wife’s family is all New England. I actually have a 1860 Army in VG condition from her family. It has military cartouches in the grips and all matching serial #’s. Came from one of her ancestors that mustered in and out in Massachusetts. "Tidewater" Maryland and Virginia were very connected both economically and socially. But was a transistion zone between the distinctly Puritan/Saxon northeast and the Loyalist South. The Chesapeake bay was a natural focal point in the 1600-1700 settlement timeframe. See Collin Woodward's book: American Nations. There were many Eastern Marylanders that joined Confederate forces after Lincoln crushed the pro-South riots in 1861, so it would not be surprising for you to find a rebel or two. www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/10-facts-baltimore-civil-warMy paternal ancestors settled in Tidewater VA, on the Rappahannock River. Thank God for our relatively rare surname (and previous ancestral studies), which made it much easier for me to search the military and social records. If our surname had been Smith, I would have been lost. The Confederate military records have been "professionally" collected and annotated. Much interest in this over the past decades. More extensive in the Eastern armies than for the Western. These can be accessed (for a fee) on www.fold3.com/Our name is “Green”. We spell it without an (e) ending however, the ending (e) clearly comes and goes in the records (mainly marriages and death records). We came from England apparently fairly early. My wife’s family also goes way back In Massachusetts. |
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Post by code on Dec 31, 2021 17:32:11 GMT
“That's alright Blu. I have read several similar. I once found (and now can't) a document that detailed the exhumation of Union dead at Shiloh when they were being reburied in the new National Cemetery in 1866. Very detailed. Every item found with every body and observations. There were at least two female bodies found in the unit-specific trench graves. I had three distant relatives that fought at Shiloh (1 Union, 2 Confederate). All three died there. The two Confederates are likely buried somewhere in the mass burial trenches on the battle field. The Union relative is buried in the National Cemetery. I couldn't initially find him when I visited and perused the burials list. Finally found him. They misspelled his last name ... both on the register and on his stone. Brings to mind General Sherman's quote: "I think I understand what military fame is; to be killed on the field of battle and have your name misspelled in the newspapers". I got the Park staff to make a note on the register indicating his real surname. They probably won't change the stone.” I think we have folks that fought on both sides too. All Union so far but my paternal grandfather came from the Baltimore area with family roots way back. Lots of “Old Dominion” residents in the checkered family tree. My sister is doing all the tracing. My wife’s family is all New England. I actually have a 1860 Army in VG condition from her family. It has military cartouches in the grips and all matching serial #’s. Came from one of her ancestors that mustered in and out in Massachusetts. Union on my side, can trace my father's side back to the Continental Army, headstone records it, and before when that ancestor served as a Minuteman. Father's side Scottish, maybe English, then looks like a jump was made into Ireland, then here to America and I found a hint, just a trace, of Spain. Mothers side Ukrainian, all of them, from one small area, no variance, no travel, no mystery, going back pretty much forever in the same place. |
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 31, 2021 17:37:13 GMT
"Tidewater" Maryland and Virginia were very connected both economically and socially. But was a transistion zone between the distinctly Puritan/Saxon northeast and the Loyalist South. The Chesapeake bay was a natural focal point in the 1600-1700 settlement timeframe. See Collin Woodward's book: American Nations. There were many Eastern Marylanders that joined Confederate forces after Lincoln crushed the pro-South riots in 1861, so it would not be surprising for you to find a rebel or two. www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/10-facts-baltimore-civil-warMy paternal ancestors settled in Tidewater VA, on the Rappahannock River. Thank God for our relatively rare surname (and previous ancestral studies), which made it much easier for me to search the military and social records. If our surname had been Smith, I would have been lost. The Confederate military records have been "professionally" collected and annotated. Much interest in this over the past decades. More extensive in the Eastern armies than for the Western. These can be accessed (for a fee) on www.fold3.com/Our name is “Green”. We spell it without an (e) ending however, the ending (e) clearly comes and goes in the records (mainly marriages and death records). We came from England apparently fairly early. My wife’s family also goes way back In Massachusetts. All my YDNA matches with men who can trace their ancestry across long periods, goes back (clusters) in the Lancashire area of NW England. There do appear to be Breedloves (or other possible spellings) that show up in English records in the 1600s (Births, deaths, marriages), but no direct connections to anyone still there. The (YDNA) SNP tree between the 5 Breedloves that have tested here show at least two distinct "clans" whose tree breaks/connects at an SNP whose age is "probably" pre-migration (early 1600s?). First record here is a witness signature in 1708. Actual migration was probably earlier. There are "legends" in the extended family lore of Breedlove brothers (or close relations)coming to the colonies in the "early days". This is a case where YDNA testing can perhaps verify (or squash) legends. We need a few more Breedlove males to test. Fascinating stuff. You can really get bogged down in it. Here is a Green from Missouri - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_E._Green |
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 31, 2021 18:01:14 GMT
“That's alright Blu. I have read several similar. I once found (and now can't) a document that detailed the exhumation of Union dead at Shiloh when they were being reburied in the new National Cemetery in 1866. Very detailed. Every item found with every body and observations. There were at least two female bodies found in the unit-specific trench graves. I had three distant relatives that fought at Shiloh (1 Union, 2 Confederate). All three died there. The two Confederates are likely buried somewhere in the mass burial trenches on the battle field. The Union relative is buried in the National Cemetery. I couldn't initially find him when I visited and perused the burials list. Finally found him. They misspelled his last name ... both on the register and on his stone. Brings to mind General Sherman's quote: "I think I understand what military fame is; to be killed on the field of battle and have your name misspelled in the newspapers". I got the Park staff to make a note on the register indicating his real surname. They probably won't change the stone.” I think we have folks that fought on both sides too. All Union so far but my paternal grandfather came from the Baltimore area with family roots way back. Lots of “Old Dominion” residents in the checkered family tree. My sister is doing all the tracing. My wife’s family is all New England. I actually have a 1860 Army in VG condition from her family. It has military cartouches in the grips and all matching serial #’s. Came from one of her ancestors that mustered in and out in Massachusetts. Union on my side, can trace my father's side back to the Continental Army, headstone records it, and before when that ancestor served as a Minuteman. Father's side Scottish, maybe English, then looks like a jump was made into Ireland, then here to America and I found a hint, just a trace, of Spain. Mothers side Ukrainian, all of them, from one small area, no variance, no travel, no mystery, going back pretty much forever in the same place. North/South military enlistment/draft depended very much on where you were located. Breedloves moved in 3 general waves out of tidewater Virginia: 1)South then West along the Piedmont to the East and South of the Appalachians, 2)Westward down the Ohio River and 3) straight west through Kentucky and N Tennessee into Missouri. Those in the South joined the Southern Armies. Those in the North joined the Northern Armies. Those in the middle were split. Biggest distinction: those in the North sent a much smaller proportion of their young men to fight. |
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 31, 2021 22:16:15 GMT
“That's alright Blu. I have read several similar. I once found (and now can't) a document that detailed the exhumation of Union dead at Shiloh when they were being reburied in the new National Cemetery in 1866. Very detailed. Every item found with every body and observations. There were at least two female bodies found in the unit-specific trench graves. I had three distant relatives that fought at Shiloh (1 Union, 2 Confederate). All three died there. The two Confederates are likely buried somewhere in the mass burial trenches on the battle field. The Union relative is buried in the National Cemetery. I couldn't initially find him when I visited and perused the burials list. Finally found him. They misspelled his last name ... both on the register and on his stone. Brings to mind General Sherman's quote: "I think I understand what military fame is; to be killed on the field of battle and have your name misspelled in the newspapers". I got the Park staff to make a note on the register indicating his real surname. They probably won't change the stone.” I think we have folks that fought on both sides too. All Union so far but my paternal grandfather came from the Baltimore area with family roots way back. Lots of “Old Dominion” residents in the checkered family tree. My sister is doing all the tracing. My wife’s family is all New England. I actually have a 1860 Army in VG condition from her family. It has military cartouches in the grips and all matching serial #’s. Came from one of her ancestors that mustered in and out in Massachusetts. Union on my side, can trace my father's side back to the Continental Army, headstone records it, and before when that ancestor served as a Minuteman. Father's side Scottish, maybe English, then looks like a jump was made into Ireland, then here to America and I found a hint, just a trace, of Spain. Mothers side Ukrainian, all of them, from one small area, no variance, no travel, no mystery, going back pretty much forever in the same place. Just bought an mtDNA test kit as a present for my elderly female cousin who is a direct (female to female) descendant of my father's mother (my grandmother). Her mother was 1/2 Blackfoot according to the stories ... and my cousin remembers her conversations with her at a young age on traditions handed down to her from her mother (who would have been full-blooded Blackfoot - born perhaps mid-1830s-1840ish). MtDNA should establish this once and for all. My cousin is excited. MtDNA does not mutate anywhere near as fast as male FTDNA. You can often go many generations with no change at all. Whereas FTDNA will typically show SNP mutations every couple of generations or so. Sometimes faster. |
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Post by blustnmtn on Jan 10, 2022 16:20:31 GMT
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Post by blustnmtn on Jan 10, 2022 22:00:33 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 11, 2022 18:20:58 GMT
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Post by blustnmtn on Jan 16, 2022 13:33:47 GMT
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Post by walnut on Jan 16, 2022 13:57:41 GMT
It's the hyper productivity of the modern economy which has given young people the luxury to pretend that they are "studying" at university and spend their time on "activism", rather than common sense work and survival pursuits.
Actually the economy no longer requires the labor of so many millions of low-skilled drones, so what now? Quality people will continue to try to learn, work, and build, the same as previous generations.
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 16, 2022 20:06:42 GMT
They will be saddled with the millstone of the unproductive forever if we go to a system of handouts. Support should be minimal and dependent on work for the able ... even if that work is makeshift. If they get tired of the makeshift, they can learn a skill. In South America there is no public welfare. They sell things on the sidewalks. Many houses have little groceries in their street levels.
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Post by Sigurdur on Jan 17, 2022 16:22:01 GMT
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The Confederate military records have been "professionally" collected and annotated. Much interest in this over the past decades. More extensive in the Eastern armies than for the Western. These can be accessed (for a fee) on 
