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Post by phydeaux2363 on Sept 20, 2024 21:12:34 GMT
Such an attack will do wonders for Ukraine's "struggles with low morale." Nothing like blowing up a huge ammo dump deep in your adversary's territory to lift your spirits. The issue for Russia is it doesn't have the air defense resources to protect all critical war infrastructure. So it either has to keep moving it away from the war zone, causing logistical difficulties, or manufacture and buy more weapons, causing a further drain on the economy. If history is any guide, the Russians will do both and damn the consequences for the civilian population.
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Post by missouriboy on Sept 23, 2024 19:27:52 GMT
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Post by justme on Sept 24, 2024 19:41:42 GMT
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Post by justme on Sept 27, 2024 12:34:56 GMT
You don't say?  www.economist.com/leaders/2024/09/26/the-war-is-going-badly-ukraine-and-its-allies-must-change-course?utm_medium=social-media.content.np&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=editorial-social&utm_content=discovery.content www.nytimes.com/2024/09/26/us/politics/us-intelligence-stresses-risks-in-allowing-long-range-strikes-by-ukraine.htmlMany followers of this conflict have gotten lost in all the red line rhetoric and disinformation. All previous red lines have been western self imposed. Never in military history has the United States or Russia uses their satellite and guidance systems to strike inside the others territory. This never happened in the Vietnam or Korean war. Russia uses long range missiles that use Russian satellites and guidance systems to hit targets in Ukraine. Ukraine has been using western satellites and guidance systems to hit targets within Ukraine's 1991 borders. The west has limited targets even in Crimea. If Ukraine were to use long range missiles to strike targets deep in Russia, this would use western satellites and guidance systems. Russia and some countries around the world would see this as a western attack on Russia. Many Russian officials have stated this would be a declaration of war. Russia even just updated their nuclear doctrine to include any nation’s conventional attack on Russia that is supported by a nuclear power will be considered a joint attack. This is a very real red line. Additionally, many of these western stocks are low due to being used in Ukraine. Western officials are on the record stating this will not change the outcome of this conflict. Russia also has a massive force ready for WWIII. The west is already struggling with popular opinion inside their own countries and with various countries around the world with regards to this conflict. NATO and the United States attacking Russia will not improve this opinion to say the least. This is why this idea is all politics and will not happen. Beyond this, it starts a terrible precedent. Let's say there is no escalation that eventually leads to WWIII. What stops Russia or other countries from giving advanced long ranged weapons to the Houthis, Gazans, and other countries that use their satellites and guidance systems to strike targets deep in Israel, Europe, and ect? What happens when western bases are hit using Russia satellite and guidance systems across Europe and the Mideast? The Biden administration has had a maximalist hawkish position on this conflict. They have escalated as much as possible without starting a larger conflict. The problem now is, Ukraine is being crushed, and there is no room left for escalation. |
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Post by justme on Sept 27, 2024 13:26:54 GMT
If there is/was an area that has been a Ukrainian success story, many analyst would say unquestionably Vuhledar. It has withstood Russian attacks for years. It has been a bastion of defense due to it's topography, geology, decade being built up by western defense, and the fierce resistance by experienced Ukrainian Defense Forces. With most strategic towns on the brink, Ukrainian defense forces would retreat at the last possible second to avoid encirclement. They would often face some casualties while retreating due to the excessively late retreat, however many made it out. Vuhledar has now been physically encircled and there is no longer any avenue for escape. Additionally, Russian forces now control the Eastern third of the town. Rumors are they were ordered not to retreat, due to Zelesnky's trip in the United States. If true, is incredibly barbaric to abandon your troops that have been fighting fiercely for years, for the sake of several days of PR.  |
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Post by flearider on Sept 27, 2024 21:43:05 GMT
is incredibly barbaric to abandon your troops that have been fighting fiercely for years, for the sake of several days of PR.  YET RUSSIA HAS THROW TROOPS WITH 2 WEEKS training into all sorts of shit .. ?? if it was not for the size of russia this would be over .. but it will play out over the next 25 yrs as they can't replace there youth with babys .. and the whole system rots .. the old will starve the young will have no education 20-30% of young men are dead ? |
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Post by walnut on Sept 28, 2024 1:45:40 GMT
is incredibly barbaric to abandon your troops that have been fighting fiercely for years, for the sake of several days of PR. YET RUSSIA HAS THROW TROOPS WITH 2 WEEKS training into all sorts of shit .. ?? if it was not for the size of russia this would be over .. but it will play out over the next 25 yrs as they can't replace there youth with babys .. and the whole system rots .. the old will starve the young will have no education 20-30% of young men are dead ? This war has been a disaster for Russia, from beginning to end. I've not picked a side, but it certainly isn't Ukraine. It's impossible to support either side. |
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Post by nonentropic on Sept 28, 2024 2:52:20 GMT
The only point is that the Ukrainians can't go home all they can do is give up and reflect on the Soviet style treatment of loosing.
In that you understand that there are only two option get out of the country or fight like hell.
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Post by missouriboy on Sept 30, 2024 19:03:31 GMT
The only point is that the Ukrainians can't go home all they can do is give up and reflect on the Soviet style treatment of loosing. In that you understand that there are only two option get out of the country or fight like hell. It was very much like that in Missouri during the American Civil War. As a Border State with emigrants from both North and South, Missouri did not wish to secede. But also did not wish to fight against its southern cousins. This was not good enough for the Union, which required Missouri to actively fight the Southern States. |
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Post by justme on Oct 1, 2024 18:55:04 GMT
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Post by glennkoks on Oct 2, 2024 0:42:18 GMT
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Post by justme on Oct 3, 2024 17:30:01 GMT
Julian finally accepting reality:   There have been some big advances in the Donbas by Russian forces. Many analyst expect even bigger advances over the coming weeks. Several Ukrainian mapping services have gone quiet:  |
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Post by glennkoks on Oct 4, 2024 0:51:26 GMT
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Post by Sigurdur on Oct 20, 2024 23:11:24 GMT
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Post by Sigurdur on Oct 21, 2024 0:41:22 GMT
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YET RUSSIA HAS THROW TROOPS WITH 2 WEEKS training into all sorts of shit .. ?? if it was not for the size of russia this would be over .. but it will play out over the next 25 yrs as they can't replace there youth with babys .. and the whole system rots .. the old will starve the young will have no education 20-30% of young men are dead ? 
