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Post by acidohm on Mar 8, 2022 20:56:33 GMT
Well.....I'm looking at ditching my beloved pickup for an EV van with 5 seats 😳
The cost of deisel I'm consuming each month covers the payments on the van, and fuel costs are only going one way.
Of course I'm mindful energy costs are going the same way too, but maintaining a 10 year old vehicle also has costs, as well as time/stress as I mostly fault finding and repair myself.
Just think that threshold has been reached.
So long as the van does OK I'll just hand it back after 3 years and see what else is out there, might be back in a pickup but EV in 6 years 🤞🏻🤞🏻
Has nothing to do with wanting net zero, just a (I think) pragmatic decision?
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Post by pbfoot on Mar 8, 2022 23:06:03 GMT
Well.....I'm looking at ditching my beloved pickup for an EV van with 5 seats 😳 The cost of deisel I'm consuming each month covers the payments on the van, and fuel costs are only going one way. Of course I'm mindful energy costs are going the same way too, but maintaining a 10 year old vehicle also has costs, as well as time/stress as I mostly fault finding and repair myself. Just think that threshold has been reached. So long as the van does OK I'll just hand it back after 3 years and see what else is out there, might be back in a pickup but EV in 6 years 🤞🏻🤞🏻 Has nothing to do with wanting net zero, just a (I think) pragmatic decision? less moving parts is always good. |
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Post by nonentropic on Mar 9, 2022 4:08:08 GMT
keep the van in the garage things change.
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Post by acidohm on Mar 12, 2022 7:23:43 GMT
That escalated quickly....
Tuesday I was baring with truck, absorbing fuel costs and still on program to run it for 4 more years, approx another 80,000 miles.
Wife started pinging me electric vans for sale.
Wednesday she pinged me something I liked the look of, my mind changed, I accepted the benefit. A guy I know expressed interest in truck for £5500. I contacted dealers, was told New vans have 2-3 month delivery date. Got finance quote at 5.9%
Thursday. News in morning states mini closing for 2 weeks due to material shortage, 2nd hand car market going up.
Spoke to 3rd dealer who may let demo van of my choice go but needs to check.
Dealer gets back to me, manufacturer has to hold onto all existing EV stock as they're required to maintain a certain size demo fleet which they currently meet.
Lead time on new vehicle is now 6-7 months.....would I like this suv?
It's a bit out of my budget, I've now calculated my deisel costs for Feb at £1.60/Ltd were £600! Ideally I want to half that...and most stations are going up 5p per day.
Went on autotrader, within 35miles, there's 13 ev, all little compacts bar 1 suv for £300/month, 10k, 2 years, 5 years manufacturer warranty left.
By now I'm pinging the wife who is at work till 2pm. Contacting suv dealer to hold it, left work early, picked up wife, 1hr drive to Hitchin to dealer who seriously had over £1m of ferrari, Aston and jaguar in showroom.
Did their suggested finance there and then, 7.9% Apr, pick it up today.
Bit of a rushed decision, but, Putin has most of the nickel. You cannot buy an ev from dealer right now. Fuel prices are volatile. 2nd hand car values go up everyday.
I could see a scenario where I'd be shelling out huge sums in deisel and to get a way out might take alot of time in searching and travelling as increasing numbers of people try to do what I'd be doing....
I reckon in 6 months I'll be able to sell this suv for what I paid for it....
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Post by ratty on Mar 12, 2022 11:27:17 GMT
If it's electric, don't park it in your garage.  |
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Post by blustnmtn on Apr 30, 2022 15:35:40 GMT
Snipped this graphic from an article in ZeroHedge. Coal isn’t phasing out anytime soon without a total collapse of modernity.  |
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Post by mako88sb on Apr 30, 2022 18:18:00 GMT
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Post by blustnmtn on Apr 30, 2022 18:46:31 GMT
Yup!
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Post by mako88sb on May 1, 2022 2:12:24 GMT
Just finished watching a podcast about how prolonged the oil & gas shortages are going to be. At the end they brought up how Europe used more coal because of natural gas shortages before the situation in the Ukraine even started. Now things are going to be a lot worse trying to get away from Russian supplies of O&G so coal consumption is definitely going to increase. Problem is Europe gets most of its coal from Russia. They are forecasting the need for bulk carriers, mostly from Australia, will be used to supply coal from abroad for the 2022 fall & winter needs.
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Post by Sigurdur on May 1, 2022 5:23:38 GMT
Just finished watching a podcast about how prolonged the oil & gas shortages are going to be. At the end they brought up how Europe used more coal because of natural gas shortages before the situation in the Ukraine even started. Now things are going to be a lot worse trying to get away from Russian supplies of O&G so coal consumption is definitely going to increase. Problem is Europe gets most of its coal from Russia. They are forecasting the need for bulk carriers, mostly from Australia, will be used to supply coal from abroad for the 2022 fall & winter needs. Does Australia have the export capacity to fill European requirements? |
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Post by ratty on May 1, 2022 7:53:34 GMT
Just finished watching a podcast about how prolonged the oil & gas shortages are going to be. At the end they brought up how Europe used more coal because of natural gas shortages before the situation in the Ukraine even started. Now things are going to be a lot worse trying to get away from Russian supplies of O&G so coal consumption is definitely going to increase. Problem is Europe gets most of its coal from Russia. They are forecasting the need for bulk carriers, mostly from Australia, will be used to supply coal from abroad for the 2022 fall & winter needs. Does Australia have the export capacity to fill European requirements? Would do if we could get mines approved in reasonable time. The Adani/Carmichael mine in central Queensland was first announced in 2010, the federal government approved it in 2014 and construction began in 2019. The eco warriors tried everything to stop or delay it. Then there's the New Acland mine .... New Hope wins legal step in 14-year battle over Queensland mine The Queensland government (~ Democrats) desperately needs the royalties but ties itself in knots because they need Greens preference votes at election time. |
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Post by mako88sb on May 1, 2022 10:20:50 GMT
Just finished watching a podcast about how prolonged the oil & gas shortages are going to be. At the end they brought up how Europe used more coal because of natural gas shortages before the situation in the Ukraine even started. Now things are going to be a lot worse trying to get away from Russian supplies of O&G so coal consumption is definitely going to increase. Problem is Europe gets most of its coal from Russia. They are forecasting the need for bulk carriers, mostly from Australia, will be used to supply coal from abroad for the 2022 fall & winter needs. Does Australia have the export capacity to fill European requirements? Probably not. Looks like Indonesia is also a big exporter of coal but its lower quality and not really suitable: www.reuters.com/business/energy/indonesia-australia-face-limits-coal-exports-europe-ahead-russian-ban-2022-04-06/ |
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Post by douglavers on May 1, 2022 21:26:40 GMT
We have the bizarre position where Australian political parties proclaim their adherence to "net zero" and phasing out coal.
At the same time as the rest of the world screams for more of our coal.
Oz politicians do not seem to have realised that "Net zero" is dead in the water; food and fuel security have become of overwhelming importance overseas.
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Post by ratty on May 1, 2022 21:51:18 GMT
We have the bizarre position where Australian political parties proclaim their adherence to "net zero" and phasing out coal. At the same time as the rest of the world screams for more of our coal. Oz politicians do not seem to have realised that "Net zero" is dead in the water; food and fuel security have become of overwhelming importance overseas.  |
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Post by missouriboy on May 1, 2022 22:16:40 GMT
Is that Mr Ed?  We have the bizarre position where Australian political parties proclaim their adherence to "net zero" and phasing out coal. At the same time as the rest of the world screams for more of our coal. Oz politicians do not seem to have realised that "Net zero" is dead in the water; food and fuel security have become of overwhelming importance overseas. |
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