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Jul 8, 2023 15:43:52 GMT
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Post by blustnmtn on Jul 8, 2023 15:43:52 GMT
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Post by ratty on Jul 10, 2023 11:22:22 GMT
This monologue will worry many EV owners and prospective owners; it discusses repairs, insurance, battery safety, resale, etc ... ....
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Post by ratty on Jul 10, 2023 11:24:27 GMT
This one on repairs is more entertaining ...
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Post by blustnmtn on Jul 26, 2023 16:12:37 GMT
Why is this happening??? www.reuters.com/world/europe/one-dead-cargo-ship-fire-electric-car-suspected-source-dutch-coastguard-2023-07-26/"The fire is most definitely still not controlled. It's a very hard fire to extinguish, possibly because of the cargo the ship was transporting," said Edwin Versteeg, a spokesperson for the Dutch Department of Waterways and Public Works. The coastguard said on its website that the cause of the fire was unknown, but a coastguard spokesperson had earlier told Reuters it began near an electric car. Roughly 25 out 2,857 vehicles on the ship were electric. The International Maritime Organisation, which sets out regulation for safety at sea, plans to evaluate new measures for ships transporting electric vehicles next year in light of the growing number of fires on cargo ships, a spokesperson said. "Electric cars burn just as much as combustion engine cars. When batteries overheat and a so-called 'thermal runaway' occurs, then it gets dangerous," said Uwe-Peter Schieder, master mariner and representative of the German Insurance Association. "A chemical reaction in the battery produces gases which inflate the battery." New rules under consideration could take years to implement, but may include specifications on the types of water extinguishers available on boats and limitations on the amount a battery can be charged, which impacts flammability. |
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Post by gridley on Jul 27, 2023 12:09:06 GMT
I expect that was a rhetorical question, but just in case...
Cars, like most modern complex systems, are built to codes. When the codes were first introduced that was almost entirely a good thing - setting standards for safety is in everyone's interests. Over time, however, as the codes become better and more robust, they become trusted to be complete - which they never are.
Add in that the decline in the education system resulting in people who don't know how to think, only to obey, has begun to reach the world of engineering, especially in "new" sectors... like electric cars. Throw in cost-cutting managers who don't know anything about engineering and thus don't listen to their engineers when they say "yes it meets code BUT...".
So, new cars - all new cars, electric or otherwise - are designed to meet code... and pretty much only that.
How is that a problem? The codes were developed for *gasoline* cars. Government regulations are extremely slow to changes (especially when a large part of industry doesn't WANT them to change and is supported by the green morons). Let's say you're looking at, oh, a salt spray requirement. For a gasoline car certain parts need to be very resistant, others need to be somewhat resistant, and large parts of the car really only have a cosmetic effect to damage from salt spray. For electric cars these areas are DIFFERENT... but the code is the same. The company standard procedures (for existing auto companies) are the same. The engineers who THINK about whether new technology requires new standards are increasingly thin on the ground and increasingly ignored even when they're present. Just to add insult to injury the good, hard thinking engineers are more likely to have been the ones who looked at the Covid "vaccines" and said "oh heck no" and resigned rather than get the jab.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - modern technology is power. Power is great for doing work, but power that becomes uncontrolled is equally great at doing damage. *Good* engineering is at least as much about preventing the power involved from becoming uncontrolled as it is about harnessing it. These days it isn't that hard to build a plane. To build a plane that will fly 2,000 times with only a one in two MILLION chance of a major failure per flight cycle is still very, very hard. Good as the FAA's sections of the US Code are, they aren't good enough to do that on their own... which is one of the big reasons that only a relative handful of companies build airplanes in the US.
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Post by blustnmtn on Jul 27, 2023 12:18:32 GMT
I expect that was a rhetorical question, but just in case...
Cars, like most modern complex systems, are built to codes. When the codes were first introduced that was almost entirely a good thing - setting standards for safety is in everyone's interests. Over time, however, as the codes become better and more robust, they become trusted to be complete - which they never are.
Add in that the decline in the education system resulting in people who don't know how to think, only to obey, has begun to reach the world of engineering, especially in "new" sectors... like electric cars. Throw in cost-cutting managers who don't know anything about engineering and thus don't listen to their engineers when they say "yes it meets code BUT...".
So, new cars - all new cars, electric or otherwise - are designed to meet code... and pretty much only that.
How is that a problem? The codes were developed for *gasoline* cars. Government regulations are extremely slow to changes (especially when a large part of industry doesn't WANT them to change and is supported by the green morons). Let's say you're looking at, oh, a salt spray requirement. For a gasoline car certain parts need to be very resistant, others need to be somewhat resistant, and large parts of the car really only have a cosmetic effect to damage from salt spray. For electric cars these areas are DIFFERENT... but the code is the same. The company standard procedures (for existing auto companies) are the same. The engineers who THINK about whether new technology requires new standards are increasingly thin on the ground and increasingly ignored even when they're present. Just to add insult to injury the good, hard thinking engineers are more likely to have been the ones who looked at the Covid "vaccines" and said "oh heck no" and resigned rather than get the jab.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - modern technology is power. Power is great for doing work, but power that becomes uncontrolled is equally great at doing damage. *Good* engineering is at least as much about preventing the power involved from becoming uncontrolled as it is about harnessing it. These days it isn't that hard to build a plane. To build a plane that will fly 2,000 times with only a one in two MILLION chance of a major failure per flight cycle is still very, very hard. Good as the FAA's sections of the US Code are, they aren't good enough to do that on their own... which is one of the big reasons that only a relative handful of companies build airplanes in the US.
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Post by ratty on Jul 28, 2023 10:14:07 GMT
Code has a lot to answer for then but he's probably waxing his skis.  |
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Post by ratty on Aug 6, 2023 11:57:23 GMT
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Post by walnut on Aug 6, 2023 13:47:33 GMT
There is much to be said for buying a good used car and taking good care of it. My son bought this 1985 944 yesterday. It's like a museum piece and fun to drive. niftier than an ev, and uses little fuel.  |
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Post by acidohm on Aug 6, 2023 16:03:16 GMT
There is much to be said for buying a good used car and taking good care of it. My son bought this 1985 944 yesterday. It's like a museum piece and fun to drive. niftier than an ev, and uses little fuel. Nice cars them 944, saw one yesterday on UK roads, always liked them. Slight shame what you yanks so to our European models...adding extra bits of bumper on etc. Jag E-type particularly suffers, such an iconic car then in US ugly bumper over-riders mandated.... Still....splitting hairs really. Hope your Son gets many happy times outta it Walnut! Also, purchasing a used car and caring for it is more environmentally friendly then buying a new EV (Or using a vehicle for 100,000's of miles...) |
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Post by walnut on Aug 6, 2023 17:30:52 GMT
There is much to be said for buying a good used car and taking good care of it. My son bought this 1985 944 yesterday. It's like a museum piece and fun to drive. niftier than an ev, and uses little fuel. Nice cars them 944, saw one yesterday on UK roads, always liked them. Slight shame what you yanks so to our European models...adding extra bits of bumper on etc. Jag E-type particularly suffers, such an iconic car then in US ugly bumper over-riders mandated.... Still....splitting hairs really. Hope your Son gets many happy times outta it Walnut! Also, purchasing a used car and caring for it is more environmentally friendly then buying a new EV (Or using a vehicle for 100,000's of miles...) Those are seldom seen on the roads here anymore. I remember my uncle had one. The Brits and Germans had a great sense of style (at their best), no one really beats them. |
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Aug 6, 2023 19:13:04 GMT
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Post by acidohm on Aug 6, 2023 19:13:04 GMT
Nice cars them 944, saw one yesterday on UK roads, always liked them. Slight shame what you yanks so to our European models...adding extra bits of bumper on etc. Jag E-type particularly suffers, such an iconic car then in US ugly bumper over-riders mandated.... Still....splitting hairs really. Hope your Son gets many happy times outta it Walnut! Also, purchasing a used car and caring for it is more environmentally friendly then buying a new EV (Or using a vehicle for 100,000's of miles...) Those are seldom seen on the roads here anymore. I remember my uncle had one. The Brits and Germans had a great sense of style (at their best), no one really beats them. Probably see 20 or so jags in the wild a year...was behind a Miura on the road last year, that was cool. Occasionally see a charger, mustang or chevelle out and about...that's what really floats my boat, post gto/barracuda - pre smog regs. Reckon you get to see a few more of those Walnut! |
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Post by nonentropic on Aug 6, 2023 20:23:32 GMT
Had one in the 80's and chased a more recent 968 in very good condition very nearly grabbed it, but I am to old for manual in traffic, and the auto was very 80's 4 stage and sluggish.
Went with a recent Audi S4 7speed DSG gearbox great sound sensational performance and having the speed limits in NZ that we have, allows me to explore the first 2 gears capability.
Did meet a chap from Dallas when in a Houston hotel 10 years ago he was clearly very wealthy and said that he had the best car in the world. He travels weekly from Dallas to Houston and travels at and above 100mph. His car had 300,000 miles on it and no rust, yes a 944. Made by VW under contract 4 cylinder 2.5L or 3.0L turbo or not, fantastic!
Don't sell it.
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Post by walnut on Aug 6, 2023 23:57:21 GMT
Those are seldom seen on the roads here anymore. I remember my uncle had one. The Brits and Germans had a great sense of style (at their best), no one really beats them. Probably see 20 or so jags in the wild a year...was behind a Miura on the road last year, that was cool. Occasionally see a charger, mustang or chevelle out and about...that's what really floats my boat, post gto/barracuda - pre smog regs. Reckon you get to see a few more of those Walnut! Yes those can still be had, unfortunately very bid up by now. You're best bet around here might be a recent model Challenger, Mustang, or Camaro. They have the nostalgic looks and way more horsepower. It's just not the same, though. An interesting trend here in Tulsa, boys have been souping up their cars but especially large motorcycles and have learned that if they are traveling over 150 mph down the city expressways, they are fairly immune to police interference. On any summer night it sounds like a racetrack for hours. A big FU from the toxic boys to the PTB is how it looks. www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2831920787074151 |
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Post by ratty on Aug 7, 2023 0:56:54 GMT
There is much to be said for buying a good used car and taking good care of it. [ Snip ] Agree. That was my strategy before I retired; I bought Toyota ex renters with about 40,000ks on the clock for both myself and Lady Ratty. Can't recall any serious problems and Toyota agreed to replace the shocks on one of the vehicles under warranty. Since retirement, I've bought new and just took delivery of my fifth Subaru, a Forester. (Bow placement training needed.)  From my service station experience, I knew enough about 'exotics' to avoid them. Nice to look at but a problem to repair and obtain spares (Australia problem). We needed to source bits for Mercs, Jags and others from the US; it was quicker and definitely cheaper than buying from the limited-stock local market and owners were (usually) aware of the supply problems. Aussie parts interpreters were part of the problem: We often had to order a part so we could send it back to get the correct one after describing the differences. Things have probably changed a lot since I left the repair industry in 1994? PS: In my experience, the most unreliable of vehicles were Jags. I figured that you needed three to be sure that one would be mobile at any given time. |
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