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Post by missouriboy on Sept 15, 2021 3:45:49 GMT
AFTER THE NEXT POLE FLIP: This has been one of Suspicious Observers catastrophy theories for a long while. What happens if the poles flip. as they have seemingly done before. There are several older videos on the main site, This is a shorter, recent one. This would be REAL climate change.
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Post by phydeaux2363 on Sept 15, 2021 14:44:07 GMT
No one survives such an event, so there is neither reason to worry, and less to prepare for such a thing.
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Post by glennkoks on Sept 15, 2021 16:30:25 GMT
I like to prioritize the things that I need to be prepared for by the odds of such an event happening. For most of us short term extreme weather events probably have the highest odds of placing any one of us in danger. I would include earthquakes in this category. Civil unrest would probably be next on the list. And I have taken steps to mitigate these risks with food, guns, ammo and tools.
Next up would be something like a massive solar storm, EMP, Meteorite impact or catastrophic volcanic event. I see no need to prepare for these. First off the odds are astronomically unlikely, secondly probably not survivable.
I'm not really concerned with a magnetic polar reversal as these most likely wont have catastrophic consequences.
I have several good friends who are "preppers". It has been my experience that preppers are like hoarders. They never have enough. It borders on an obsession. No amount of ammo or food is ever enough. Most of us have a hobby. Golfing, fishing, hunting etc. Preppers keep prepping...
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Post by missouriboy on Sept 15, 2021 18:25:54 GMT
Both correct. Likely not survivable (as per Mr Phy) ... and if it were, would you want too? Unless you had selected that geographically fortunate Garden of Eden where your genes would help repopulate the human race.  This is probably at the level of science fiction. Prepping is smart and practical for short to medium-term emergencies/disasters. When I was a kid we had Morman neighbors who followed their church doctrine of having a years worth of supplies on hand. By that definition, all my (our) ancestors were "preppers" ... at least those that lived year-to-year from farming and personal skills that most of us have lost. My grandfather was also a blacksmith. They made and maintained much of what they needed. Beyond a year (or two) you probably have to have a large garden, animals and additional skills ... and a close community of similarly minded people. Most of our urban populations would probably not survive a long-term disaster. The concept of pole reversal is interesting. The geologic record suggests that they have occurred. Some (many?) believe that the last one occurred about 12,000 years ago at the end of the younger dryas. Most known human history post-dates that timeframe. How it occurs is contentious. But this thesis of a physical crustal shift is interesting. It is not any more unlikely than a minor atmospheric trace gas transforming our global climate system. |
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Post by flearider on Sept 15, 2021 19:18:01 GMT
it's not right i know .. but fam comes first .. i have my eye on a couple of boats within 20 mins of me .. and axes and knives to get them .. guns are not allowed over here but could get one if i needed it ..  |
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Post by missouriboy on Sept 15, 2021 19:48:23 GMT
it's not right i know .. but fam comes first .. i have my eye on a couple of boats within 20 mins of me .. and axes and knives to get them .. guns are not allowed over here but could get one if i needed it .. Get outside of where that wave breaks and, like Noah, you might find yourself on a mountain in a brave new world. Don't forget the sail, the sextant, the compass and the fishing gear. And for future generations sake, you might want to take along some hardy women folk. Expect complaining.  |
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Post by glennkoks on Sept 16, 2021 1:48:40 GMT
We know the poles have flipped many times in our geologic history. On average about 4 or 5 times per million years. It's well documented that the poles have wandered all around for years and years. When they finally do flip life will go on. History has shown us that there is no catastrophic event. Not much different than when a novel virus pop up. It may be tough but we endure.
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Post by glennkoks on Sept 16, 2021 1:59:42 GMT
Both correct. Likely not survivable (as per Mr Phy) ... and if it were, would you want too? Unless you had selected that geographically fortunate Garden of Eden where your genes would help repopulate the human race. This is probably at the level of science fiction. Prepping is smart and practical for short to medium-term emergencies/disasters. When I was a kid we had Morman neighbors who followed their church doctrine of having a years worth of supplies on hand. By that definition, all my (our) ancestors were "preppers" ... at least those that lived year-to-year from farming and personal skills that most of us have lost. My grandfather was also a blacksmith. They made and maintained much of what they needed. Beyond a year (or two) you probably have to have a large garden, animals and additional skills ... and a close community of similarly minded people. Most of our urban populations would probably not survive a long-term disaster. The concept of pole reversal is interesting. The geologic record suggests that they have occurred. Some (many?) believe that the last one occurred about 12,000 years ago at the end of the younger dryas. Most known human history post-dates that timeframe. How it occurs is contentious. But this thesis of a physical crustal shift is interesting. It is not any more unlikely than a minor atmospheric trace gas transforming our global climate system. I absolutely would want to survive and ensure my family will do so as well. Prepping is smart and very practical. Should the very unlikely happen I am prepared with food, guns, ammo, seeds and tools. I think it is healthy to be prepared. With that being said you have to be realistic and be grounded in reality. Most of the preppers I know have become detached from reality. I would say six months of food, water and medicine is prudent. Maybe a year. Anything more borders on an obsession. With that being said there are much, much worse "hobbies" than prepping. |
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Post by missouriboy on Sept 16, 2021 3:25:31 GMT
Both correct. Likely not survivable (as per Mr Phy) ... and if it were, would you want too? Unless you had selected that geographically fortunate Garden of Eden where your genes would help repopulate the human race. This is probably at the level of science fiction. Prepping is smart and practical for short to medium-term emergencies/disasters. When I was a kid we had Morman neighbors who followed their church doctrine of having a years worth of supplies on hand. By that definition, all my (our) ancestors were "preppers" ... at least those that lived year-to-year from farming and personal skills that most of us have lost. My grandfather was also a blacksmith. They made and maintained much of what they needed. Beyond a year (or two) you probably have to have a large garden, animals and additional skills ... and a close community of similarly minded people. Most of our urban populations would probably not survive a long-term disaster. The concept of pole reversal is interesting. The geologic record suggests that they have occurred. Some (many?) believe that the last one occurred about 12,000 years ago at the end of the younger dryas. Most known human history post-dates that timeframe. How it occurs is contentious. But this thesis of a physical crustal shift is interesting. It is not any more unlikely than a minor atmospheric trace gas transforming our global climate system. I absolutely would want to survive and ensure my family will do so as well. Prepping is smart and very practical. Should the very unlikely happen I am prepared with food, guns, ammo, seeds and tools. I think it is healthy to be prepared. With that being said you have to be realistic and be grounded in reality. Most of the preppers I know have become detached from reality. I would say six months of food, water and medicine is prudent. Maybe a year. Anything more borders on an obsession. With that being said there are much, much worse "hobbies" than prepping. Not sure what evidence Ben Davidson's crustal rotation theory is based on. I'll have to go back to his original catastrophy series and look for it. Seems wild, but so did continental drift when it was first proposed. But that is considered a slow, incremental process with major jolts along the way. Crustal rotation would seem to be a very violent event with an unknown trigger mechanism. Practical prepping is just good common sense. I have a store of grains and legumes sufficient to supply 3 people for at least 6 months and probably longer. Fruits and green vegetables are a problem but heirloom seeds store fairly well depending on variety. Rotated canned items can serve for a while. Foraging for native edibles is a skill that needs to be acquired, but I have some thickets of jerusalem artichokes that can be dug in the winter on into spring. Water is a major problem. I keep many 5-gallon containers, but to be really secure one would need some type of cistern or tankage hooked up to roof guttering. Freezing would need to be addressed. If I were really serious, I would learn canning and can up that cow in my freezers before some long-term power outage struck. Properly canned beef is excellent and lasts a long time. Firewood is readily available at the farm, as are other forage. But in a gasoline-short environment, that would be problematic. Guns, ammo and tools with a store of batteries top off the major list. Squirrels, bunnies, deer and ground hogs are also available. I don't have a generator, but probably should ... along with a fuel supply. But that is a really short-term solution. |
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Post by missouriboy on Sept 17, 2021 3:42:39 GMT
We know the poles have flipped many times in our geologic history. On average about 4 or 5 times per million years. It's well documented that the poles have wandered all around for years and years. When they finally do flip life will go on. History has shown us that there is no catastrophic event. Not much different than when a novel virus pop up. It may be tough but we endure. Latest table on reversals from Ben Davidson. Spread at about 6K years apart. The Noah event at 4000 BCE (6000 ybp) is interesting. A lot more frequent than previously proposed if there is anything to it. I need to follow up. For anyone with an interest and time on their hands ... www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHSoxioQtwZcVcFC85TxEEiirgfXwhfsw  |
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Post by flearider on Sept 17, 2021 4:40:59 GMT
I absolutely would want to survive and ensure my family will do so as well. Prepping is smart and very practical. Should the very unlikely happen I am prepared with food, guns, ammo, seeds and tools. I think it is healthy to be prepared. With that being said you have to be realistic and be grounded in reality. Most of the preppers I know have become detached from reality. I would say six months of food, water and medicine is prudent. Maybe a year. Anything more borders on an obsession. With that being said there are much, much worse "hobbies" than prepping. Not sure what evidence Ben Davidson's crustal rotation theory is based on. I'll have to go back to his original catastrophy series and look for it. Seems wild, but so did continental drift when it was first proposed. But that is considered a slow, incremental process with major jolts along the way. Crustal rotation would seem to be a very violent event with an unknown trigger mechanism. Practical prepping is just good common sense. I have a store of grains and legumes sufficient to supply 3 people for at least 6 months and probably longer. Fruits and green vegetables are a problem but heirloom seeds store fairly well depending on variety. Rotated canned items can serve for a while. Foraging for native edibles is a skill that needs to be acquired, but I have some thickets of jerusalem artichokes that can be dug in the winter on into spring. Water is a major problem. I keep many 5-gallon containers, but to be really secure one would need some type of cistern or tankage hooked up to roof guttering. Freezing would need to be addressed. If I were really serious, I would learn canning and can up that cow in my freezers before some long-term power outage struck. Properly canned beef is excellent and lasts a long time. Firewood is readily available at the farm, as are other forage. But in a gasoline-short environment, that would be problematic. Guns, ammo and tools with a store of batteries top off the major list. Squirrels, bunnies, deer and ground hogs are also available. I don't have a generator, but probably should ... along with a fuel supply. But that is a really short-term solution. "Not sure what evidence Ben Davidson's crustal rotation theory is based on" it's based on a micro nova he has some evidence of it happening .. 12k yrs apart +/- 500 yrs or so the pole shift is something else but would be very bad for a micro nova to hit while we have little protection from the sun .. |
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Post by acidohm on Sept 17, 2021 9:43:38 GMT
Assuming volcanic chains like Hawaii are due to hot plumes in the mantle, surely if the crust had slipped there'd be ancient and inactive chains of volcanos which used to sit above those plumes?
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Post by missouriboy on Sept 17, 2021 14:04:27 GMT
Assuming volcanic chains like Hawaii are due to hot plumes in the mantle, surely if the crust had slipped there'd be ancient and inactive chains of volcanos which used to sit above those plumes? Very good point. While the Pacific is littered with old sea mounts, which could be old cutoff plumes, could the mass of the Big Island of Hawaii have accumulated in 6K to 12K years? Seems a stretch. Perhaps there is a question and answer site at Suspicious Observers. The deep seafloor, far from being a smooth muddy plain, is home to a large number of undersea mountains. By definition seamounts are geological structures more than 1,000 meters (3,300 feet) high, but most are much taller than that, rising from the seafloor at about 5,000 meters depth to within a few hundred meters of the ocean surface. Or, occasionally breaking the sea surface in which case they are then called islands.
It is difficult to know just how many seamounts there are, but they seem to be quite abundant. Using data from satellite altimetry and radar, as well as bathymetric data obtained from survey ships, estimates of the number of seamounts range from 14,700 to more than 33,000. This variation in the estimates is due to the different ways the bathymetric data are treated by the computer algorithms used.
oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/okeanos/explorations/ex1504/background/seamounts/welcome.html |
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Post by code on Sept 17, 2021 14:16:29 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Sept 17, 2021 19:20:49 GMT
They don't seem to have a problem with CO2. "What will actually happen when north-pointing compasses make a 180-degree turn toward Antarctica?" Nancy Pelosi will fall over.  Their editor could use some help too. "The last reversal happened 780,000 years ago during the Stone Age"  |
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This is probably at the level of science fiction. Prepping is smart and practical for short to medium-term emergencies/disasters. When I was a kid we had Morman neighbors who followed their church doctrine of having a years worth of supplies on hand. By that definition, all my (our) ancestors were "preppers" ... at least those that lived year-to-year from farming and personal skills that most of us have lost. My grandfather was also a blacksmith. They made and maintained much of what they needed. Beyond a year (or two) you probably have to have a large garden, animals and additional skills ... and a close community of similarly minded people. Most of our urban populations would probably not survive a long-term disaster. 
