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Post by flearider on May 28, 2023 10:52:06 GMT
who wants to give me a quick breakdown on how to short stock ? ... your betting against a company doing what it said ? how long of a term is it ? easy safest way ..
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Post by walnut on May 28, 2023 13:29:10 GMT
You have to have a margin account with a broker. To place the trade, you just enter it in as a short sale. In reality you are borrowing the shares from your broker, selling those shares, and so now you are on the hook to buy those shares back at the market price to give them back to your broker. This is called "covering the trade". The actual trade is fairly simple to do from beginning to end.
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Post by walnut on May 28, 2023 13:32:01 GMT
The founders could not have imagined anything like the Rothschildian cabal which is currently running the world like it's own tax and usury plantation. But if they did, they would have expected us to have done something about it by now. We failed history during the covid hoax, and we are still failing. Our masters are a little smarter than us and I guess that's all it takes. Or just a lot more evil. oy vey! |
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Post by glennkoks on May 28, 2023 14:32:27 GMT
who wants to give me a quick breakdown on how to short stock ? ... your betting against a company doing what it said ? how long of a term is it ? easy safest way .. Ok you brought it up. Which stock are you short selling? I have a history of getting killed on "hot" stock tips, especially my own so what do you got? |
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Post by missouriboy on May 28, 2023 15:00:00 GMT
"Let them eat cake!" Does that phrase still work? When the majority of the profits are distributed outside of the stupidity loop, one could argue that the system is largely self-correcting. Evil has always been with us ... but our detours onto the exits of evil have been similarly limited, at least in North America. The flight to a de-populated frontier in the New World, as implemented by the Scots-Irish was a sound business decision (See Guns. Germs and Steel) and the true reason that economic-social freedom took root in the America of the 1700s-1800s. They purposely separated themselves from their Old World affliction (the aristocratic landlords) and carved out a new agricultural economic-social Nirvana in the American Midwest that was not really broken until the new industrial landlords caught up with them in the 1900s. The Irish, who largely came later, made the mistake of stopping off in the the big eastern cities ... and largely never got to the promised land. Not since the Indo-european migrations from the Pontic Steppe (some 7k years earlier) had such an opportunity been offered. It truely IS what made America different. The industrial-agricultural slave lords of the East settled into feeding the old European market, while the REAL Americans carved out a largely egalitarian society temporarily beyond the reach of the aristocrats. We are in the process of seeing whether the new technologies of a post-industrial age will unleash freedom again. Too much power is a very dangerous thing. |
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Post by flearider on May 28, 2023 19:16:11 GMT
who wants to give me a quick breakdown on how to short stock ? ... your betting against a company doing what it said ? how long of a term is it ? easy safest way .. Ok you brought it up. Which stock are you short selling? I have a history of getting killed on "hot" stock tips, especially my own so what do you got? NVidia and tsmc |
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Post by ratty on May 29, 2023 4:23:13 GMT
I hear a bipartisan agreement has been reached?  |
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Post by code on May 30, 2023 2:51:56 GMT
Ok you brought it up. Which stock are you short selling? I have a history of getting killed on "hot" stock tips, especially my own so what do you got? NVidia and tsmc
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Post by code on May 30, 2023 2:52:51 GMT
Sounds like Jimmy Carter's sub-prime lending all over again? My thoughts |
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Post by flearider on May 30, 2023 3:51:31 GMT
yes i understand that there throwing everything into ai .. but then again so is everyone else .. nvida is losing the battle they have grown to big there losing/or will lose the desktop market next yr because of price gouging.. they said next qtr would be a 11 bill $ not going to happen amd has the server market soon they will have ai .. anyone want to explain shorting stock or point me in a direction ? thx guys  |
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Post by walnut on May 30, 2023 4:01:56 GMT
I did above. To get any more specific, it depends on how the brokers interface is set up. I'm used to Interactive Brokers and Fidelity, but I have used others too. If you have any other specific questions about it just ask. You have to have a margin account with a broker (a margin account basically means that they are trusting you with some of their money, to either leverage trades or sell short.) To place the trade, you just enter it in as a short sale. In reality you are borrowing the shares from your broker, selling those shares, and so now you are on the hook to buy those shares back at the market price to give them back to your broker. This is called "covering the trade". The actual trade is fairly simple to do from beginning to end. |
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Post by blueridgefarms on May 30, 2023 4:57:25 GMT
yes i understand that there throwing everything into ai .. but then again so is everyone else .. nvida is losing the battle they have grown to big there losing/or will lose the desktop market next yr because of price gouging.. they said next qtr would be a 11 bill $ not going to happen amd has the server market soon they will have ai .. anyone want to explain shorting stock or point me in a direction ? thx guys Here's the thing to remember. When you short a stock, you are selling shares that you do not own. You must be able to buy them back at all times. Let's say that you shorted at $300 a share. Then the price goes to $400 a share. You are required to have that $100 on deposit with your broker. Plus, the broker probably wants some cushion, maybe 10% of the total share price, so you actually have to deposit $140 a share in your account. That can move against you very quickly. It's fine if you've got the funds to margin, and if the stock eventually goes back down to below $300. But it really sucks to run out of margin money at $550. Because then your broker will buy back those shares at $550, and you just realized a $250 loss. At that point, it doesn't matter if the stock price goes back down to $250. You already covered at $550. No matter how many times you may have heard this before, it doesn't hurt to hear it again: The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent. Maybe nvidia does actually have to drop back down to below $200. That may actually be the case. It still doesn't mean that the stock can't hang out at $600 for a couple months first. |
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Post by ratty on May 30, 2023 5:53:18 GMT
[ Snip ] No matter how many times you may have heard this before, it doesn't hurt to hear it again: The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent. [ Snip ] Excellent observation, Blue2! THINKS: Must add that to my email tagline collection. |
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Post by walnut on May 30, 2023 11:50:58 GMT
yes i understand that there throwing everything into ai .. but then again so is everyone else .. nvida is losing the battle they have grown to big there losing/or will lose the desktop market next yr because of price gouging.. they said next qtr would be a 11 bill $ not going to happen amd has the server market soon they will have ai .. anyone want to explain shorting stock or point me in a direction ? thx guys Here's the thing to remember. When you short a stock, you are selling shares that you do not own. You must be able to buy them back at all times. Let's say that you shorted at $300 a share. Then the price goes to $400 a share. You are required to have that $100 on deposit with your broker. Plus, the broker probably wants some cushion, maybe 10% of the total share price, so you actually have to deposit $140 a share in your account. That can move against you very quickly. It's fine if you've got the funds to margin, and if the stock eventually goes back down to below $300. But it really sucks to run out of margin money at $550. Because then your broker will buy back those shares at $550, and you just realized a $250 loss. At that point, it doesn't matter if the stock price goes back down to $250. You already covered at $550. No matter how many times you may have heard this before, it doesn't hurt to hear it again: The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent. Maybe nvidia does actually have to drop back down to below $200. That may actually be the case. It still doesn't mean that the stock can't hang out at $600 for a couple months first. Yes I was going to refrain from commenting about the wisdom of it, but from my own observation nothing cleans traders out more routinely than short sale trades. Give no man the power to ruin you, do not sell what you do not own. |
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Post by glennkoks on May 30, 2023 13:08:52 GMT
"The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent".
Truer words have never been spoken. In my opinion the market has remained irrational since we locked everything down during the Covid pandemic. While I still like to dabble in the market short selling and commodity trading are out of my wheelhouse. I am a boring old school, S&P 500 index funds for the long haul kind of guy...
Until I bailed out in September of 2021 when I realized the Fed was clueless about inflation and it was anything but transitory.
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