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Post by missouriboy on Dec 5, 2021 5:40:36 GMT
Does anyone have any thoughts on the Russian troop build up on the Ukraine border? A bit of interesting history. Since Putin seems to think that the breakup of the Soviet Union was a terrible thing for Russia, it's not surprising that he might want the Ukraine back. But then again, the western Ukranians have never forgotten (or forgiven?) Stallin's forced starvation of millions of Ukranians in the 30's ... and their replacement with Russians in the Donblas region. That too is understandable. History abides. The Baltic republics, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and the Balkin members of the EU have got to be a little worried about the backbone of the western members. Russia worries the ____ out of them. That too is understandable. They have lost a lot more people to War than we could even dream about. newrepublic.com/article/145685/ukraine-got-caught-east-west |
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 5, 2021 5:58:27 GMT
Does anyone have any thoughts on the Russian troop build up on the Ukraine border? Their politics seem so complicated in Russia and Ukraine, I never know who is in the wrong. Which oligarch is the worst? The Russians seem destined to always live under a czar rule.
The deep state will slap a new round of sanctions on Russia if they do invade.
As Antony Blinks and Brandon nods. And Winken has disappeared. What the hell is going on? Blinken and Lavrov warn of ‘serious consequences’ if tensions on the border escalate US secretary of state Antony Blinken, left, exchanged strong remarks with Russian foreign minister Sergei ... www.ft.comwww.ft.com/content/2a567d8b-c13c-4f9c-b12e-3a49cdc34365Polina Ivanova in Moscow, Henry Foy in Brussels and Katrina Manson in Washington December 2 2021 92 The US and Russia traded threats of “serious consequences” should either side escalate tensions on the Ukrainian border following weeks of rising concerns in the west that a Russian build-up of military activity could spill over into war. Antony Blinken, US secretary of state, met his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov on Thursday for the first time since Washington warned its allies that the Russian troop surge suggested Moscow was preparing another invasion of Ukraine. Moscow has said it has no plans to attack and was “a threat to no one.” The US warning of more Russian aggression against Ukraine has become a flashpoint in strained relations between Moscow and Washington. At closed-door talks in Stockholm, Blinken said that if Russia “decides to pursue confrontation, there will be serious consequences,” reiterating that Washington had “deep concerns about Russia’s plan for renewed aggression against Ukraine.” In response, Lavrov warned that Moscow would respond with “retaliatory measures to redress the military-strategic balance” if western military support for Ukraine continued to rise. “Ignoring Russia’s legitimate concerns and dragging Ukraine into US geopolitical games against the background of the deployment of Nato forces in proximity to our borders will have the most serious consequences,” Lavrov said in a statement after the talks, which took place on the sidelines of a meeting of the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe. Russia would offer a plan for a new European security pact to focus on preventing Nato encroachment east, he said. Lavrov said western arms shipments to Ukraine were encouraging Kyiv to escalate in the Donbas. At a dinner on Wednesday evening ahead of the formal start of the OSCE talks, Blinken and Lavrov exchanged heated remarks over the situation in and around Ukraine as the more than 50 other delegates looked on, according to people briefed on the conversation. Blinken met with Dmytro Kuleba, Kyiv’s foreign minister, on Thursday. The US has “a strong, ironclad commitment to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine,” he said. Ukraine is seeking a comprehensive deterrence package, Kuleba wrote on Twitter after the meeting, “to demotivate Russia from further aggressive moves.” Russia president Vladimir Putin this week warned the west against crossing Moscow’s “red lines” in Ukraine, saying it would be forced to respond “if Nato continued to expand its infrastructure”, including through the alliance’s potential deployment of its own similar missile systems. |
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Post by walnut on Dec 5, 2021 14:02:11 GMT
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Post by walnut on Dec 5, 2021 14:42:48 GMT
It's hard to feel morally superior, I'd say there's a greater chance that Putin was legitimately elected than Biden was. And Russia feels that NATO has been threatening their borders aggressively.
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Post by ratty on Dec 6, 2021 6:28:51 GMT
It's hard to feel morally superior, I'd say there's a greater chance that Putin was legitimately elected than Biden was. And Russia feels that NATO has been threatening their borders aggressively.  |
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Post by walnut on Dec 6, 2021 14:04:04 GMT
It's hard to feel morally superior, I'd say there's a greater chance that Putin was legitimately elected than Biden was. And Russia feels that NATO has been threatening their borders aggressively.
On the other hand, Biden took "inappropriate" showers with his daughter (leading to her being screwed up in the head as an adult) per her diary, So do we really have to choose between the two?
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Post by pbfoot on Dec 6, 2021 17:01:43 GMT
The US is the largest arms dealer on the planet. We also drone strike civilians. We have no moral high ground to judge anyone!
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Post by code on Dec 7, 2021 5:53:22 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 7, 2021 20:51:28 GMT
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Post by code on Dec 8, 2021 15:02:14 GMT
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Post by pbfoot on Dec 8, 2021 15:47:49 GMT
Payback for the Russian arms deal? |
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 9, 2021 0:50:00 GMT
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Post by pbfoot on Dec 9, 2021 0:53:36 GMT
I wish we could invade Mexico and stop the flow of illegals. |
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Post by Sigurdur on Dec 9, 2021 1:02:16 GMT
The US needs an enemy to keep the Military Industrial Complex alive and well. The bullshit about Ukraine is a smokescreen to cover Biden’s handlers blunders. |
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Post by pbfoot on Dec 9, 2021 2:13:19 GMT
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