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Post by acidohm on Jan 23, 2023 18:41:33 GMT
So ... was it the sun? Or comets? But there are some interesting things out there.
Good vids Mr.M! Read Hancock avidly in mid 90's, but even as his Netflix doc came out I just thought there was nothing new to know...I guess I didn't pay attention or maybe he just explains it better on Joe Rogan. Key updates are, Whereas he used to assume a cataclysm, past few years its been shown space impact at end of ice age. He always said ancient monuments were older, derided by mainstream archeology, they then have to date recently discovered Gobekli Tepi to 11,000 years ago. He's going 1-1 with a Mainstream archaeologist on Joe Rogan in October....should be interesting.
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 23, 2023 19:48:51 GMT
One on Joe Rogan is here. Nov. 2022. is there another one coming? Settled Science has it coming.
This is an incredibly good conversation if you have 2 hours to spare. Thank you Acid. Now the fight over whether a micro nova of our sun had anything to do with it.
Did Chinese last night. My fortune cookie says ... "With an empty head, there's nothing to worry about."
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Post by ratty on Jan 24, 2023 1:01:43 GMT
One on Joe Rogan is here. Nov. 2022. is there another one coming? Settled Science has it coming. This is an incredibly good conversation if you have 2 hours to spare. Thank you Acid. Now the fight over whether a micro nova of our sun had anything to do with it.
Did Chinese last night. My fortune cookie says ... "With an empty head, there's nothing to worry about." More wisdom from a fortune cookie: Democracy is counting heads, not what's in them.
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Post by Sigurdur on Jan 27, 2023 16:08:26 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 27, 2023 16:18:38 GMT
Maybe so. But he continues repeating the same logical mistake. Our whole history suggests that the definition of resources change.
Politicians strive for relentless economic growth, but this is not sustainable in a world where resources are finite.
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Post by nonentropic on Jan 27, 2023 18:28:27 GMT
Malthus???
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Post by ratty on Jan 27, 2023 23:32:56 GMT
... or a descendant with a similar genetic flaw.
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 27, 2023 23:38:10 GMT
... or a descendant with a similar genetic flaw. Do you have an experiment in mind?
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Post by ratty on Jan 27, 2023 23:56:24 GMT
... or a descendant with a similar genetic flaw. Do you have an experiment in mind? No. You're the resident genetic expert ...
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Post by acidohm on Jan 28, 2023 15:53:20 GMT
Example of how you have to be careful 'believing' what you read. This clapping at Chichen is doing rounds.... globalheart.nl/inspiratie/entertainment/cultuur/mayan-pyramid-sound-quetzal-bird/The idea is if you clap at the bottom of the stairs, the resulting echo sounds like a quetzal (revered bird) 2003 I was lucky enough to spend a few months knocking around Mexico, Guatemala and Honduras and visited quite a few mayan sites as well as Teotihaucan. On our (my, now, wife travelled with me) visit to Chichen, absolutely no mention of this phenomena was mentioned, no one was clapping in front of the main Pyramid. At Teotihaucan, everyone was! It was supposed to be a mystical sound, we even had lunch with some French guy and his girlfriend at their pad in Mexico City. He lived there to study teotihaucan and purported to have analysed the sound (using witchcraft perhaps?) and proved it was electronic in origin! So, once I got back to London and found myself in front of a big stone flight of stairs...I clapped. Same sound. It's a doppler delay effect on returning sound. Anyway, I feel better for getting this off my chest, everytime I see an article like that above I feel irked!
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 28, 2023 21:01:12 GMT
Example of how you have to be careful 'believing' what you read. This clapping at Chichen is doing rounds.... globalheart.nl/inspiratie/entertainment/cultuur/mayan-pyramid-sound-quetzal-bird/The idea is if you clap at the bottom of the stairs, the resulting echo sounds like a quetzal (revered bird) 2003 I was lucky enough to spend a few months knocking around Mexico, Guatemala and Honduras and visited quite a few mayan sites as well as Teotihaucan. On our (my, now, wife travelled with me) visit to Chichen, absolutely no mention of this phenomena was mentioned, no one was clapping in front of the main Pyramid. At Teotihaucan, everyone was! It was supposed to be a mystical sound, we even had lunch with some French guy and his girlfriend at their pad in Mexico City. He lived there to study teotihaucan and purported to have analysed the sound (using witchcraft perhaps?) and proved it was electronic in origin! So, once I got back to London and found myself in front of a big stone flight of stairs...I clapped. Same sound. It's a doppler delay effect on returning sound. Anyway, I feel better for getting this off my chest, everytime I see an article like that above I feel irked! As you should. Sturgeon's Law: Ninety percent of everything is crap. My corollary to Sturgeon's Law: Sturgeon was an optimist. The internet has made it incredibly easy to pass anything and everything along. Maybe(?) crap proportions increase with volume. BUT ... you can now retrieve immense amounts of data ... but you REALLY have to seriously vet it. Every time I get REALLY excited about something I find ... I try to ask myself how it will taste if I have to eat it. I have been burned once or twice on enthusiasm. So, as far as betting on disaster forecasts, I'm going to wait till the last minute and SHORT the forecast, knowing that if I'm wrong, it won't matter how it tastes.
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Post by nonentropic on Jan 28, 2023 23:18:41 GMT
No MB it's because the material with value is finite yet crap is largely unbounded.
As such a mathematical explanation would run around something like, the material of value is linearly proportional to the number of "educated" people within a "pool" the "crap", is unconfined by capability and jumps pools far quicker remember Mark Twain's quote thus appears exponential.
so in 40 years we have doubled the population of earth, wealth and education has gone likely better than 8 times, add in pool boundaries are reduced due to language homogenization and the internet. However probably 4 billion have the internet on earth compare that to 1980 where papers and libraries were exclusive to the better off largely in the West probably a few million were "connected".
I read in about 1995 in the Economist, yes I had a subscription to it and it was good before becoming woke, that there were around 10 Million Millionaires then. they defined that as a freehold house and a Million US$ in the liquid or invested funds.
That number even if adjusted for CPI or whatever has exploded now.
My pick is the ratio has gone at least an order of magnitude worse than Sturgeon proposed.
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Post by ratty on Jan 29, 2023 4:40:12 GMT
Yes, it pays to check our sources ....
The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible. - Bertrand Russell
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 29, 2023 7:44:35 GMT
Do you have an experiment in mind? No. You're the resident genetic expert ... Then we're in trouble.
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 29, 2023 8:58:05 GMT
No MB it's because the material with value is finite yet crap is largely unbounded. As such a mathematical explanation would run around something like, the material of value is linearly proportional to the number of "educated" people within a "pool" the "crap", is unconfined by capability and jumps pools far quicker remember Mark Twain's quote thus appears exponential. so in 40 years we have doubled the population of earth, wealth and education has gone likely better than 8 times, add in pool boundaries are reduced due to language homogenization and the internet. However probably 4 billion have the internet on earth compare that to 1980 where papers and libraries were exclusive to the better off largely in the West probably a few million were "connected". I read in about 1995 in the Economist, yes I had a subscription to it and it was good before becoming woke, that there were around 10 Million Millionaires then. they defined that as a freehold house and a Million US$ in the liquid or invested funds. That number even if adjusted for CPI or whatever has exploded now. My pick is the ratio has gone at least an order of magnitude worse than Sturgeon proposed. Agreed. And the proportion of crap differs by occupation/trade/functional area. In a world of smiths, crap is limited by a pool of professionals expanding on a tried and true set of technology and materials over generations. Experiments on the cutting edge are either adopted or excluded as failures (crap). Truth manifests as success ... crap as failure. The same is true in all strictly scientific fields where unrelated doctrine is generally excluded. Enter the internet ... and all/most professionalism goes out the window as a whole world of variously educated generalists start operating like a women's social club. "Crap" explodes and may be adopted as truth. Useful information, if it can be discerned, may attract adherents and success. But here lies your orders of magnitude crap explosion. We wrestle to determine truth in a sea of noise. Enter politicians and the world just goes to hell.
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