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Post by acidohm on Jul 8, 2021 20:29:49 GMT
Western North American extreme heat virtually impossible without human-caused climate change
Weather patterns are clearly all over the place with many odd permutations observed in the last few years. Some create warm, some create cold and overall at the moment,they seem roughly equal. Thing is, what global data do we really have from the last time the sun had such little activity? Anecdotal records imply similar events occurring to some degree in the past, but we are really the first people able to observe all these changes globally and be aware of the overall picture. Certainly since I first came here, there's been an anticipation of future events and discussions on what may be. Overall, suggestions made here have in time rung more true and has greater foresight then attempts by others to explain events because they're happening rather then anticipating them. And that's the crux of it for me. Having some understanding and predicting trumps believing and explaining in real time. As far as I can tell, sciences best effort revolves around arctic amplification upsetting pressure systems, because they believe the Arctic is failing outside of natural fluctuations. Those who feel solar activity affects pressure systems have been saying as such for some time, as has often been discussed here. Localised warm is always due to upset pressure distribution, as is localised cold. That is part of it too, these events are always localised. If whole hemispheres start to display anomalies one way or the other in their entirety that'd be more telling, a real strange attractor shift. Really, many of us have been waiting for right about now. It's possible that the next few months will clarify many points for us. I've learnt so much from all you folks and look forward to observing future events with you. |
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Post by blustnmtn on Jul 8, 2021 21:13:10 GMT
Some create warm, some create cold and overall at the moment,they seem roughly equal. Thing is, what global data do we really have from the last time the sun had such little activity? Anecdotal records imply similar events occurring to some degree in the past, but we are really the first people able to observe all these changes globally and be aware of the overall picture. Certainly since I first came here, there's been an anticipation of future events and discussions on what may be. Overall, suggestions made here have in time rung more true and has greater foresight then attempts by others to explain events because they're happening rather then anticipating them. And that's the crux of it for me. Having some understanding and predicting trumps believing and explaining in real time. As far as I can tell, sciences best effort revolves around arctic amplification upsetting pressure systems, because they believe the Arctic is failing outside of natural fluctuations. Those who feel solar activity affects pressure systems have been saying as such for some time, as has often been discussed here. Localised warm is always due to upset pressure distribution, as is localised cold. That is part of it too, these events are always localised. If whole hemispheres start to display anomalies one way or the other in their entirety that'd be more telling, a real strange attractor shift. Really, many of us have been waiting for right about now. It's possible that the next few months will clarify many points for us. I've learnt so much from all you folks and look forward to observing future events with you. And the AMO is poised to go slowly down hill. |
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Post by missouriboy on Jul 8, 2021 23:11:33 GMT
The beauty of this site is the quality of the participants. The live, day to day application of the scientific process.
We don't spend half our time putting other participants down ... or invoking the "woke hammer".
I would rather be wrong and learn something in the process.
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Post by Sigurdur on Jul 9, 2021 0:30:26 GMT
The beauty of this site is the quality of the participants. The live, day to day application of the scientific process. We don't spend half our time putting other participants down ... or invoking the "woke hammer". I would rather be wrong and learn something in the process. Hear hear. |
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Post by code on Jul 11, 2021 16:05:56 GMT
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Post by code on Jul 11, 2021 16:27:53 GMT
The beauty of this site is the quality of the participants. The live, day to day application of the scientific process. We don't spend half our time putting other participants down ... or invoking the "woke hammer". I would rather be wrong and learn something in the process. I recall standing in the auditorium of my son's school district headquarters listened to some pollack flap his jaws about the problems of me and a good number of other people in the district, mostly people who are pigment challenged. The individual had been brought in by the districts' pointer whose job is to find perceived problems and then bark at them. This "expert" had the same degree I do, in the same college I do, from the University of Washington. The contention was I am bad, a problem, a virus, blah, blah, blah. I listened patiently while this walking furd (are we going to, should we, ban nasty words?) flapped their arms and wrote on the board explaining oppression, depression, suppression, etc. I finally raised my hand, was recognized, stood up and asked him to identify me and I was exposed as privileged, entitled, advantaged, etc., etc. It was going well for the pollack until I confessed my families humble roots. An actual photo of me decades ago as a young man visiting my mothers' childhood home
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Post by Sigurdur on Jul 11, 2021 17:57:16 GMT
The beauty of this site is the quality of the participants. The live, day to day application of the scientific process. We don't spend half our time putting other participants down ... or invoking the "woke hammer". I would rather be wrong and learn something in the process. I recall standing in the auditorium of my son's school district headquarters listened to some pollack flap his jaws about the problems of me and a good number of other people in the district, mostly people who are pigment challenged. The individual had been brought in by the districts' pointer whose job is to find perceived problems and then bark at them. This "expert" had the same degree I do, in the same college I do, from the University of Washington. The contention was I am bad, a problem, a virus, blah, blah, blah. I listened patiently while this walking furd (are we going to, should we, ban nasty words?) flapped their arms and wrote on the board explaining oppression, depression, suppression, etc. I finally raised my hand, was recognized, stood up and asked him to identify me and I was exposed as privileged, entitled, advantaged, etc., etc. I was going well for the pollack until I confessed my families humble roots. An actual photo of me decades ago as a young man visiting my mothers' childhood home
I am not tired of being privileged. I am too old to work 60hrs straight at times to find that privilege. The current border mess is a prime example of people recognizing that "privilege" is earned via hard work and taking risks. One pair of shoes per year. (You will grow into them and out of them). I didn't like being poor, so I did something about it. Go figure, eh? |
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Post by blustnmtn on Jul 11, 2021 20:42:25 GMT
Climate4you is getting brave.  I’m having a hard time comprehending how the whole world can basically shut down for a year and CO2’s inexorable ramp up shows no change in the rate of increase. 🤔 I know others have raised this. Just how long would humans need to hibernate for CO2’s increase to slow down? I think this is a critically important question for “climate science” to answer. |
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Post by blustnmtn on Jul 11, 2021 21:28:01 GMT
I also question monitoring CO2 at one of earth’s most active exhaust pipes.
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Post by missouriboy on Jul 11, 2021 21:53:28 GMT
When the oceans seriously start to cool, some interesting things may happen to that curve. There have obviously been times in the distant past when CO2 concentrations went the other way. Even the 70s-80s seemed to level off. When you subtract all the "official" human CO2 emissions (in ppm) from the total CO2 change (in ppm at mauna loa), it seems obvious that total "residual" CO2 has been growing faster than "human" CO2. Me humbly suggests that be largely the oceans.  |
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Post by blustnmtn on Jul 11, 2021 22:05:20 GMT
When the oceans seriously start to cool, some interesting things may happen to that curve. There have obviously been times in the distant past when CO2 concentrations went the other way. Even the 70s-80s seemed to level off. When you subtract all the "official" human CO2 emissions (in ppm) from the total CO2 change (in ppm at mauna loa), it seems obvious that total "residual" CO2 has been growing faster than "human" CO2. Me humbly suggests that be largely the oceans. I think so too. |
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Post by douglavers on Jul 12, 2021 0:24:45 GMT
Looking at the CO2 concentration graph shown above, the annual winter/summer variation is beautifully clear, due to the majority of the planet's plant life subject to winter being in the Northern Hemisphere.
Depending on the source, one can be reasonably confident that for about 5 months of 2020, human CO2 emissions dropped by somewhere between 10 and 20%.
I know I am just a human with visual impairment, but I can see no sign of that change in the graph.
In other words, human CO2 emission is insignificant compared to natural emissions.
I think this is a telling argument against CAGW.
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Post by blustnmtn on Jul 12, 2021 1:21:55 GMT
Looking at the CO2 concentration graph shown above, the annual winter/summer variation is beautifully clear, due to the majority of the planet's plant life subject to winter being in the Northern Hemisphere. Depending on the source, one can be reasonably confident that for about 5 months of 2020, human CO2 emissions dropped by somewhere between 10 and 20%. I know I am just a human with visual impairment, but I can see no sign of that change in the graph. In other words, human CO2 emission is insignificant compared to natural emissions. I think this is a telling argument against CAGW.
Precisely! |
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Post by Sigurdur on Jul 12, 2021 1:34:09 GMT
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Post by code on Jul 12, 2021 1:58:08 GMT
Climate4you is getting brave. I’m having a hard time comprehending how the whole world can basically shut down for a year and CO2’s inexorable ramp up shows no change in the rate of increase. 🤔 I know others have raised this. Just how long would humans need to hibernate for CO2’s increase to slow down? I think this is a critically important question for “climate science” to answer. Maybe people were farting a lot as they were staying home and eating more? |
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