Coronavirus

[walnut]

Well, here's the legacy of the covid stunt-

insurancenewsnet.com/innarticle/excess-mortality-continuing-surge-causes-concerns

Increased mortality among young adults is so high that the industry is worried that insurers will be wiped out.

45% increase in mortality among 45 year olds in 2021 vs 2019, still 25% over today.

So, the vaccines were much worse than the virus. Unless 45 year olds are all on fentanyl or suicidal.  I don't think that they are. 

Strange that they shut the world down over their man-made virus, but the failure of their ready-made "cure" is getting zero media attention.

[missouriboy]

Nov 7, 2023 12:28:22 GMT walnut said:

Well, here's the legacy of the covid stunt-

insurancenewsnet.com/innarticle/excess-mortality-continuing-surge-causes-concerns

Increased mortality among young adults is so high that the industry is worried that insurers will be wiped out.

45% increase in mortality among 45 year olds in 2021 vs 2019, still 25% over today.

So, the vaccines were much worse than the virus. Unless 45 year olds are all on fentanyl or suicidal.  I don't think that they are. 

Strange that they shut the world down over their man-made virus, but the failure of their ready-made "cure" is getting zero media attention.

Lots of money will buy you zero media attention.  Here is an old (2022) timeline of the Covid "crisis", complete with shutdowns. Remembering all of this, seems to me that Trump has a lot of apologizing to do (very publicly). That is not one of his strong points, and may be a real weakness in a 2024 campaign.

thehill.com/business/3478647-a-timeline-of-the-covid-19-economy/

[ratty]

The author, Robert Llewellyn Clancy AM is a retired Australian clinical immunologist in the field of mucosal immunology. He is known for his research and development of therapies for chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, commonly known as emphysema. Clancy developed the vaccine Broncostat at the University of Newcastle in 1985.

Where has all the science gone?

Why we must say No to the World Health Organisation

Robert Clancy The Spectator Australia 18 November 2023

Where has all the science gone?
Short time passing,
The powers have blurred them every one,
Oh. When will we ever learn?

The Covid-19 pandemic was not a surprise. The surprise was that it was a coronavirus not influenza.

Influenza becomes ‘pandemic’ when a mutated virus escapes containment from the mucosal compartment of the airway to threaten the gas exchange part of the lung. Uncharacteristically on this occasion, a coronavirus mutated giving it invasive features.

We feared a pandemic like the Spanish flu in 1919 – and that is what we got! A common denominator was our ‘island quarantine’ protecting us from high mortality early pandemic experience; the world mortality for Spanish flu was about 10 per cent, and for Covid-19 it was one per cent. In both, 40 to 50 per cent of Australians had infections, with overall mortalities similar at 0.6 per cent for flu, and 0.2 per cent for Covid-19 (though 3 per cent 12 months earlier).

There are two reasons why Australian pandemic experience relates to Covid-19. First, with bubonic plague in 1900, then four influenza pandemics, health professionals built an independent world-class medical, scientific, and public health framework tailored to pandemics in an Australia influenced by its geography. This history began with Ashburton Thompson’s refusal to accept plague as ‘place infection’. He replaced accepted practice of quarantining patients and contacts, with eradication of ‘sick rats’, reducing both mortality and costs. There followed science-based programs culminating in the Australian Health Management Plan for Pandemic Influenza (AHMP) in 2019.

Second, the influenza experience was a valuable model for Covid-19 management, with similar pathogenesis and epidemiologic metrics. Yet Covid-19 came with a narrative developed by USA interest groups supported by the World Health Organisation, centred on a novel genetic vaccine using technologies untested in man. Missing was 100 years of Australian experience, embodied in the evidence-based AHMP that differed substantially from the ‘Covid-19 narrative’. The critical differences between strategies were the place of vaccines, and the respective roles of the physician or the health bureaucracy and government in medical decision making. The AHMP saw vaccines as an important component of management, but not its centrepiece, based on an 80-year experience with influenza vaccines, and an understanding of mucosal immunology.

The AHMP emphasised communication and integration of services, the values of learned experience and of maximising current evidence, the importance of transparent surveillance data and a flexibility enabling responses proportionate to needs. Three key components of the Covid-19 narrative ran counter to the AHMP: shutdowns, failure to use available safe re-purposed drugs, and placing novel untested genetic vaccines front and centre of Covid-19 management.

The AHMP’s stated response was to characterise the epidemiology of the pandemic in an Australian context, and identify at-risk individuals, to enable a targeted response.

That was not done in Australia. It was in California by Stanford epidemiologists within weeks of the first case report, finding 2.8 per cent had already been infected, 40 per cent asymptomatic, and mortality at 0.17 per cent. Covid-19 was a highly infectious mild-moderate illness, more widely spread than anticipated. These surprising results led to the Great Barrington Declaration aimed at protecting the at-risk elderly and frail while allowing a more normal lifestyle amongst the healthy young, who by exposure to the virus would develop natural immunity. Sweden chose this approach: infection rate was half that of Australia with less economic contraction and open schools and businesses. Lockdowns delay but do not reduce infections as they also delay natural immunity.

The AHMP emphasised the immediate use of innovative available evidence-based therapies. That was not done in Australia. Without precedent safe, cheap, available and effective re-purposed drugs were denigrated, made illegal, and targeted by conflicted non-medical ‘fact-checkers’. Yet early treatment showed 76 per cent reduction in mortality for hydroxychloroquine (16 studies) and 49 per cent for ivermectin (51 studies). Australians were told, ‘There is no treatment – stay at home until you are breathless, then go to hospital.’ Doctors were unable to make decisions that could save lives.

The AHMP recognised that access to a customised vaccine based on the infecting strain is ‘one of the main goals of response’, not the main goal. It was understood that injected vaccines give short-term protection to airway infection and such vaccines had most impact on severe outcomes. Repeated vaccination, akin to repeated antigen injections to suppress allergy, leads to progressive immune suppression. Annual spacing was critical to avoid disease promotion. Traditional antigen vaccines were safe.

This did not occur in Australia. Opportunity to use antigen vaccines was declined in favour of untested mRNA genetic vaccines. mRNA vaccines behaved as expected with short-term protection against severe disease but requiring as many as four or five vaccinations in two years to maintain protection. Repeated boosters stimulated progressively less immunity of shorter duration, creating a cycle where repeated boosters were used to maintain some protection and avoid disease promotion due to ‘negative immunity’.

Safety must always be the primary consideration for any vaccine. A watershed moment for mRNA vaccines came with a secondary analysis of company data from the registration trials made available only following a court order. There was a greater chance of hospitalisation from adverse effects, than there was reduced hospitalisation from vaccine-induced protection. mRNA spreads systemically, creating ‘foreign’ antigens on cells throughout the body as targets for autoimmune disease, particularly in the heart. Across the vaccinated world increased unexplained deaths of 10 to 20 per cent link only with vaccination. At best, the profusion of adverse events reported are red flags demanding review.

A tsunami of genetic challenges due to reversal of ‘message’ into host DNA, contamination of vaccine with DNA, and liposomal carrier toxicity add to the unanswered question, why take this route, that is toxic without advantage? I posit that, as per the AMPH guidelines, early epidemiological analysis of infection followed by high-level protection for those identified ‘at-risk’, with extensive use of repurposed drugs then antigen vaccines spaced to avoid suppression as the pandemic merged into a seasonal pattern, would have shortened the pandemic, reduced morbidity and mortality, avoided safety concerns for mRNA vaccines and minimalised economic costs.

Retention of primary decision-making for strategic responses to pandemics and planning for long-term medical self-reliance based on Australian science-based experience, strong institutional frameworks, and geographic peculiarities, was in relief with Covid-19 due to the imposition of external self-serving strategies. National interest must guide objective review of our Covid-19 experience, the rejection of ‘one-size-fits-all’ WHO control of our pandemic future, and pausing development of industrial production of mRNA vaccines unless toxicity concerns are resolved.

[walnut]

Nov 14, 2023 16:43:53 GMT missouriboy said:

Nov 7, 2023 12:28:22 GMT walnut said:

Well, here's the legacy of the covid stunt-

insurancenewsnet.com/innarticle/excess-mortality-continuing-surge-causes-concerns

Increased mortality among young adults is so high that the industry is worried that insurers will be wiped out.

45% increase in mortality among 45 year olds in 2021 vs 2019, still 25% over today.

So, the vaccines were much worse than the virus. Unless 45 year olds are all on fentanyl or suicidal.  I don't think that they are. 

Strange that they shut the world down over their man-made virus, but the failure of their ready-made "cure" is getting zero media attention.

Lots of money will buy you zero media attention.  Here is an old (2022) timeline of the Covid "crisis", complete with shutdowns. Remembering all of this, seems to me that Trump has a lot of apologizing to do (very publicly). That is not one of his strong points, and may be a real weakness in a 2024 campaign.

thehill.com/business/3478647-a-timeline-of-the-covid-19-economy/

This is a very difficult thing for me to get past.  It's going to be a "for the greater good" decision, hold your nose and pencil that dot.

[missouriboy]

The story continues to unravel.  In general, we know where this came from.  It is time for payback.

www.zerohedge.com/political/covid-caper-gradually-unravels

[missouriboy]

[duwayne]

In the early days of COVID I made many posts here concerning COVID’s significant negative effect on human health and the economy. But in 2022 after seeing the early numbers on the OMICRON variant, specifically, its higher transmissivity and much lower death rate, I made a post which said something like “the COVID crisis is over”.

This recent chart prepared by the Society of Actuaries shows that the MRNA vaccines and lockdowns may have had some beneficial effect but the real pandemic-killer was OMICRON.

www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/mrnas-didnt-end-covid-omicron-did-berenson

I know there are some who believe Trump and others overreacted to COVID, but the chart also shows just how bad the Delta and other early variants were even after the massive vaccination programs and lockdowns starting in early 2021.

[Sigurdur]

During the early stages of the pandemic, there was incentive to label deaths due to Covid.

That incentive dried up (funding was eliminated), and covid death toll dropped.

I won't dismiss Covid as a potentially lethal virus just as I don't dismiss other lethal viruses.

To date, neither my wife nor myself have contracted Covid. 80% of my family members also haven't contracted Covid. I have no proven reason why, only something in our genetics makes us more resistant.

The reaction, brought about because of politics rather than clear thinking, was over the top ridiculous.

The spending path, US federal government, has hastened the demise of the US. Argentina is a poster child of what can go wrong.

[flearider]

Nov 22, 2023 16:37:36 GMT Sigurdur said:

During the early stages of the pandemic, there was incentive to label deaths due to Covid.

That incentive dried up (funding was eliminated), and covid death toll dropped.

I won't dismiss Covid as a potentially lethal virus just as I don't dismiss other lethal viruses.

To date, neither my wife nor myself have contracted Covid. 80% of my family members also haven't contracted Covid. I have no proven reason why, only something in our genetics makes us more resistant.

The reaction, brought about because of politics rather than clear thinking, was over the top ridiculous.

The spending path, US federal government, has hastened the demise of the US. Argentina is a poster child of what can go wrong.

maybe because you eat fresh ? have had a lot of farm air .. little to no mixing with people ?? 
myself being a city (well shit hole ) folk  and  having to mix with hundreds of people .. had it 3 times ..  and most i know had it at least once .. with the wife working all the way thru at the supermarket .. i'm sure it was her that passed it on the first time .. but i'd never say that to her ... 

[missouriboy]

Nov 22, 2023 16:13:52 GMT duwayne said:

In the early days of COVID I made many posts here concerning COVID’s significant negative effect on human health and the economy. But in 2022 after seeing the early numbers on the OMICRON variant, specifically, its higher transmissivity and much lower death rate, I made a post which said something like “the COVID crisis is over”.

This recent chart prepared by the Society of Actuaries shows that the MRNA vaccines and lockdowns may have had some beneficial effect but the real pandemic-killer was OMICRON.

www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/mrnas-didnt-end-covid-omicron-did-berenson

I know there are some who believe Trump and others overreacted to COVID, but the chart also shows just how bad the Delta and other early variants were even after the massive vaccination programs and lockdowns starting in early 2021.

Useful table Duwayne.  To put it in perspective, I pulled the 2020 US mortality table by age group and compared it to the highest excess mortality cohort for 3rd quarter 2021.  This was the 35-44 age group at 62%.  Recorded mortality for this cohort in 2020 was 325 per 100,000 population.  Not to trivialize the numbers, but an increase of 62% amounts to an extra 202 persons per 100,000.  Not quite as scary.  If we ever get some hard stats on excess mortality due to "the vaccine" then we can compare.  The life insurance industry may have comparables ... as that's their life blood.

And what is with the 2023 3rd quarter numbers?

[duwayne]

Nov 22, 2023 19:44:29 GMT missouriboy said:

Nov 22, 2023 16:13:52 GMT duwayne said:

In the early days of COVID I made many posts here concerning COVID’s significant negative effect on human health and the economy. But in 2022 after seeing the early numbers on the OMICRON variant, specifically, its higher transmissivity and much lower death rate, I made a post which said something like “the COVID crisis is over”.

This recent chart prepared by the Society of Actuaries shows that the MRNA vaccines and lockdowns may have had some beneficial effect but the real pandemic-killer was OMICRON.

www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/mrnas-didnt-end-covid-omicron-did-berenson

I know there are some who believe Trump and others overreacted to COVID, but the chart also shows just how bad the Delta and other early variants were even after the massive vaccination programs and lockdowns starting in early 2021.

Useful table Duwayne.  To put it in perspective, I pulled the 2020 US mortality table by age group and compared it to the highest excess mortality cohort for 3rd quarter 2021.  This was the 35-44 age group at 62%.  Recorded mortality for this cohort in 2020 was 325 per 100,000 population.  Not to trivialize the numbers, but an increase of 62% amounts to an extra 202 persons per 100,000.  Not quite as scary.  If we ever get some hard stats on excess mortality due to "the vaccine" then we can compare.  The life insurance industry may have comparables ... as that's their life blood.

And what is with the 2023 3rd quarter numbers?

As noted in the paragraph above the chart, the numbers in the last quarter are understated and will go up as the death certificates are filed.

It’s interesting to note what happened to flu cases as the focus on reducing personal contacts because of COVID took place,

The reduction in personal contacts along with vaccinations undoubtedly reduced the actual COVID deaths although vaccinations may well have increased deaths in other categories. 

[missouriboy]

In "the old days", most of us didn't even think to question the efficacy of basic vaccinations.  We just assumed that they were well-tested and that our personal physicians would not prescribe them otherwise.  Like everybody else in the US, I took practically all of them.  My how times have changed and reputations have crumpled.  We did know, however, that the government was not to be totally trusted.  And they didn't surprise us.  But many of the others did.  This wasn't the Black Death.  But seemingly, just like catastrophic climate science, it was made out to be so ... in the interest of profits.  Or so is the thought with many people I know.  Trust is a very fragile thing.

[duwayne]

I think one of the biggest mistakes (intentional?) with respect to the MRNA vaccines was that the government did not require the vaccine companies to closely follow for a lengthy period of time and report on the health of those in the original study group who were the basis for the original approvals.

[missouriboy]

Duwayne ... do you know what the new outbreak for the current quarter shown on your chart is?  Maybe nothing, but there is apparently a new outbreak of something strong in China.

What is the mysterious pneumonia outbreak in China?

The WHO has asked China for more information on the undiagnosed pneumonia outbreak that has spiked since October.

www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/23/what-is-the-mysterious-pneumonia-outbreak-in-china

Here in COMO there is something strong working its way through the schools.  Comes with a serious cough that can last a long time.  Marta caught it and is being treated for pneumonia.  I have not come down with anything. 

[walnut]

Nov 23, 2023 21:54:48 GMT missouriboy said:

Duwayne ... do you know what the new outbreak for the current quarter shown on your chart is?  Maybe nothing, but there is apparently a new outbreak of something strong in China.

What is the mysterious pneumonia outbreak in China?

The WHO has asked China for more information on the undiagnosed pneumonia outbreak that has spiked since October.

www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/23/what-is-the-mysterious-pneumonia-outbreak-in-china

Here in COMO there is something strong working its way through the schools.  Comes with a serious cough that can last a long time.  Marta caught it and is being treated for pneumonia.  I have not come down with anything. 

Me and my son had it. I kinda thought it was the covid at first but it's something new. Don't catch it or else you can pencil off a fraction of your year, it doesn't go away for weeks or months.

Probably some new invention cooked up in a US funded lab. Ukrainian this time?