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Post by gridley on May 16, 2022 11:37:33 GMT
There’s no mention about the railroad system. How much would it cost to electrify the entire railroad network and how much additional electrical production would be required to run it all? Ask parts of the EU and then scale it up. They have been doing it for a long time ... in the denser parts of Europe. The US rail net is fundamentally unlike the European rail net. Some of that isn't a big deal when it comes to electrification (gauge, standard curves, etc.), but two key things are: environment and usage. By US standards basically the entire European rail net is in developed areas. The US rail net... not so much. A railroad is a minor power consumer in an urban area... and a huge one in a rural area. The European rail net also still has a fairly large percentage of passenger traffic (and passenger trains just operate differently than freight) while the US has major lines with no passenger service at all and a lot more with maybe one train each way a day. Basically outside the NE Corridor the US rail net is a freight service with the occasional passenger train.
Electrify the NE Corridor? Sure. A lot of that's been done already, and Europe would be a good model for finishing the job (we'll also ignore the fact that the European rail net isn't entirely electrified). Electrify the Eastern Seaboard and as far inland as the Mississippi? Doable and probably a good idea overall. The Pacific Coast? Maybe. The long-haul lines in the West? No way.
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Post by mako88sb on May 16, 2022 14:07:02 GMT
Ask parts of the EU and then scale it up. They have been doing it for a long time ... in the denser parts of Europe. The US rail net is fundamentally unlike the European rail net. Some of that isn't a big deal when it comes to electrification (gauge, standard curves, etc.), but two key things are: environment and usage. By US standards basically the entire European rail net is in developed areas. The US rail net... not so much. A railroad is a minor power consumer in an urban area... and a huge one in a rural area. The European rail net also still has a fairly large percentage of passenger traffic (and passenger trains just operate differently than freight) while the US has major lines with no passenger service at all and a lot more with maybe one train each way a day. Basically outside the NE Corridor the US rail net is a freight service with the occasional passenger train.
Electrify the NE Corridor? Sure. A lot of that's been done already, and Europe would be a good model for finishing the job (we'll also ignore the fact that the European rail net isn't entirely electrified). Electrify the Eastern Seaboard and as far inland as the Mississippi? Doable and probably a good idea overall. The Pacific Coast? Maybe. The long-haul lines in the West? No way.
Some great points. I imagine the same would be true for most of Canada. With our much lower population density, the costs would be much higher for CN and CP. Found this article from about a year ago. With the costs of everything nowadays and to persist for awhile, those numbers would have to be revised: www.freightwaves.com/news/is-electrifying-the-freight-rail-network-cost-prohibitive/amp |
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Post by blustnmtn on Jul 11, 2022 21:30:08 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Jul 23, 2022 10:47:22 GMT
Another Great Pink Hope fries.
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Post by ratty on Jul 23, 2022 11:58:07 GMT
Another Great Pink Hope fries. So, there IS a God.  |
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Post by blustnmtn on Aug 10, 2022 18:48:57 GMT
Opps:
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Post by nemesis on Aug 23, 2022 20:41:13 GMT
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Post by Sigurdur on Sept 1, 2022 13:11:25 GMT
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Post by nonentropic on Sept 1, 2022 20:49:45 GMT
when I was a kid a silly Australian decided to eat a car he melted and chopped stuff then he consumed it plus went on stage for money so the edible wind turbine has a background.
It's interesting that a story like that comes out it's silly and intended to present the wind turbines as a benign "edible" product. We all know that you can synthesize the carriers of food products out of oil and gas but so what?
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Post by ratty on Sept 1, 2022 21:00:36 GMT
when I was a kid a silly Australian decided to eat a car he melted and chopped stuff then he consumed it plus went on stage for money so the edible wind turbine has a background. It's interesting that a story like that comes out it's silly and intended to present the wind turbines as a benign "edible" product. We all know that you can synthesize the carriers of food products out of oil and gas but so what? There are plenty of those around, many elected.  |
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Post by blustnmtn on Oct 4, 2022 12:21:21 GMT
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Post by blustnmtn on Oct 13, 2022 12:24:27 GMT
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Post by Sigurdur on Nov 30, 2022 4:23:53 GMT
phys.org/news/2022-11-offshore-farms-marine-ecosystems.ampThe expansion of offshore wind farms in the North Sea is making progress. But the consequences for the marine environment they are built in have not yet been fully researched. Scientists at the Helmholtz-Zentrum Hereon have already provided valuable insights into the effects of wind farms in past studies.
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Post by code on Dec 6, 2022 15:29:12 GMT
Lack of Wind Pushes Europe’s Power Prices Higher, Just as Cold Sets In
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Post by Sigurdur on Dec 31, 2022 21:14:19 GMT
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