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Post by pbfoot on Feb 27, 2022 15:04:03 GMT
The nuclear alert that Putin just ordered means that in the event of no communication from Moscow,launch.
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Post by walnut on Feb 27, 2022 15:04:42 GMT
Putin wants to reincorporate Ukraine into Russia. No point in destroying it, and he wants to avoid killing his future subjects. Are you willing to get nuked for Ukraine? That's where we are heading. No and I am concerned about it. I want us to steer clear for the most part.
It has been said that Russia punches way above their weight. The Russian economy is smaller than Texas' economy. It is possible that this war could bog down and bankrupt them again. That is what I want.
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Post by acidohm on Feb 27, 2022 15:06:11 GMT
Russia has shown great restraint in trying to limit civilian casualties and you see it as weakness. The US and its Allies slaughtered over 1 million civilians in Iraq in 3 weeks of war. Bloodthirsty bastards. I really doubt that, even wikileaks didn't come up with figures anything like that. |
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Post by pbfoot on Feb 27, 2022 15:06:46 GMT
Are you willing to get nuked for Ukraine? That's where we are heading. No and I am concerned about it. I want us to steer clear for the most part.
It has been said that Russia punches way above their weight. The Russian economy is smaller than Texas' economy. It is possible that this war could bog down and bankrupt them again. That is what I want.
That is what the bankers that have ruined the west want as well. On the wrong side of history. Again... |
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Post by pbfoot on Feb 27, 2022 15:14:37 GMT
Russia has shown great restraint in trying to limit civilian casualties and you see it as weakness. The US and its Allies slaughtered over 1 million civilians in Iraq in 3 weeks of war. Bloodthirsty bastards. I really doubt that, even wikileaks didn't come up with figures anything like that. The 1 million figure comes from a controversial poll of Iraqi civilians in 2007. The official count is between 100,000 to 200,000. Based on Iraqi records, 73,000 civilians killed in 2 months. |
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Post by pbfoot on Feb 27, 2022 15:16:22 GMT
Most of it is fake. Even Crenshaw fell for it. Ghost of Kiev has shot down 5 Russian fighters? Lmao. 4chan strikes again. If our own officials cant tell what is fake, how can you?
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Post by acidohm on Feb 27, 2022 15:21:15 GMT
Most of it is fake. Even Crenshaw fell for it. Ghost of Kiev has shot down 5 Russian fighters? Lmao. 4chan strikes again. If our own officials cant tell what is fake, how can you? Completely agree, hero's, even fake ones are worth 10% more soldiers. Which is why the president and kyiv major are running around in battle fatigues. |
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Post by walnut on Feb 27, 2022 15:24:21 GMT
No point in feeling slighted or betrayed by the fake video and news propaganda. Ukraine will do whatever they think suits their purposes, as they are invaded by one of the most powerful nations in history. Propaganda is a war tool.
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Post by pbfoot on Feb 27, 2022 15:42:56 GMT
No point in feeling slighted or betrayed by the fake video and news propaganda. Ukraine will do whatever they think suits their purposes, as they are invaded by one of the most powerful nations in history. Propaganda is a war tool. Barf. Ukraine ceased to exist when Obama overthrew an election to install a CIA puppet. You only care about Ukraine because the media tells you to. |
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Post by gridley on Feb 27, 2022 15:46:13 GMT
I really doubt that, even wikileaks didn't come up with figures anything like that. The 1 million figure comes from a controversial poll of Iraqi civilians in 2007. The official count is between 100,000 to 200,000. Based on Iraqi records, 73,000 civilians killed in 2 months. Let's not forget that most terrorists are, technically, civilians. Ditto insurgents and a dozen other similar words.
When you pick up a rifle you take your chances. Many of us here think its worth it anyway - some people in other parts of the world apparently do too.
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Post by walnut on Feb 27, 2022 15:50:29 GMT
No point in feeling slighted or betrayed by the fake video and news propaganda. Ukraine will do whatever they think suits their purposes, as they are invaded by one of the most powerful nations in history. Propaganda is a war tool. Barf. Ukraine ceased to exist when Obama overthrew an election to install a CIA puppet. You only care about Ukraine because the media tells you to. Nah, you don't know me. The people of Ukraine are Ukraine, not their bad government. I'm siding with the people. |
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 27, 2022 15:52:32 GMT
I think it's a fundamental American principal that all peoples have the right to self-determination, although the US as a large entity has not always adhered to that principle. The Ukrainians have just as much right to self-determination as anyone else. There are many more "nations" these days that devolved from empires. Several of them from the remnants of Yugoslavia, which itself was constructed from the remnants of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Who is to tell the Croats or the Slovenes (and others) that they must submit to an entity that they did not wish to be a part of. Serbia tried and failed. Russia (and the Russian Federation) are much larger, but I see no reason that the same principle does not apply. "The Ukrainians" are proving where their loyalties lie in their passionate defence of their liberties. We may poo-poo this ... but it is there for anyone to see. They are not dying in the streets as a lark. Russia has no absolute right to rule a people who do not agree to be ruled.
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Post by pbfoot on Feb 27, 2022 15:53:35 GMT
We are witnessing the last gasp of a bankrupt empire, both financially and morally. This will be over before Bidens state of the Union speech on Tuesday. This is all theater to make Biden appear strong when by all measure he is an abject failure as is our entire government. Trudeau has proven that liberals are everything they acuse the right of. Power hungry fascists.
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Post by pbfoot on Feb 27, 2022 15:57:22 GMT
I think it's a fundamental American principal that all peoples have the right to self-determination, although the US as a large entity has not always adhered to that principle. The Ukrainians have just as much right to self-determination as anyone else. There are many more "nations" these days that devolved from empires. Several of them from the remnants of Yugoslavia, which itself was constructed from the remnants of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Who is to tell the Croats or the Slovenes (and others) that they must submit to an entity that they did not wish to be a part of. Serbia tried and failed. Russia (and the Russian Federation) are much larger, but I see no reason that the same principle does not apply. "The Ukrainians" are proving where their loyalties lie in their passionate defence of their liberties. We may poo-poo this ... but it is there for anyone to see. They are not dying in the streets as a lark. Russia has no absolute right to rule a people who do not agree to be ruled. They don't all speak the same language. There is a large Russian speaking population in eastern Ukraine. Or do only the other Ukrainians matter? |
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 27, 2022 15:58:11 GMT
No point in feeling slighted or betrayed by the fake video and news propaganda. Ukraine will do whatever they think suits their purposes, as they are invaded by one of the most powerful nations in history. Propaganda is a war tool. Barf. Ukraine ceased to exist when Obama overthrew an election to install a CIA puppet. You only care about Ukraine because the media tells you to. Who are you to tell anyone why they think what they think. Didn't know you were God, or I would have bowed down. |
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