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Post by missouriboy on Oct 24, 2021 18:45:34 GMT
Emergency food can be harvested from many wild plants ... or once domesticated plants gone wild. Here I mention just two. Both are remnants from around the old farm house on the 60+ acres that my family settled onto in the 1880s ... in the fringeland transition between the heavily forested borderlands of the Missouri River and the praire lands further north. All parts of these plants are edible. Wild onions, garlic and leek. Transplanted from bulbils to large areas of my gardens around the urban home over several years. They are now established and spreading. A wave of green edible grass is now growing from this year's and last year's scattered bulbils. They will remain green all winter. Native daylilies (the old orange variety). All parts are edible. Once part of my grandmother's flower garden surrounding the old house, these plantings have expanded to hundreds of square feet, with tubers so dense that "nothing" grows through them. The tubers (rhisomes) taste like a potatoe. thesuburbanjungle.blogspot.com/2015/10/eating-daylily-tubers.html
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Post by walnut on Oct 25, 2021 2:06:51 GMT
Moboy did you say that you have an orchard? I'm thinking about planting some apple trees (and pear trees) but I am trying to understand what might be the best combination of rootstock and scion to use for NEOK. Don't want bland grocery store type apples, prefer some interesting heirloom variety and don't really want to wait 5+ full years for a crop. The dwarf rootstocks are fast but they all have trade offs.
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Post by walnut on Oct 25, 2021 2:12:43 GMT
I like those native orange day lillies. You can always tell where some old homestead might have been even if there are virtually no traces of it left, if you see patches of those orange lillies near the road.
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Post by missouriboy on Oct 25, 2021 2:52:05 GMT
Moboy did you say that you have an orchard? I'm thinking about planting some apple trees (and pear trees) but I am trying to understand what might be the best combination of rootstock and scion to use for NEOK. Don't want bland grocery store type apples, prefer some interesting heirloom variety and don't really want to wait 5+ full years for a crop. The dwarf rootstocks are fast but they all have trade offs. Yes, and they require a lot of pruning, spraying, etc. I pickedup 3 main varieties: Liberty(red), Enterprise(red) and Gold Rush(yellow) ... all on M111 semi-dwarf rootstock. All are blight resistant and the first two resist cedar apple rust. Gold Rush is the best tasting apple I've ever eaten. Very unique flavor, but it is very susceptible to cedar apple rust. X-tra spraying. Neam oil works well in the natural sprays. Haven't tried the dwarfs, but I was getting some apples by years 3 and 4. Keeping the grass in check is a tough job unless you are mechanized. I heard that Gold Rush hard cidar was becoming a micro-industry. Liberty is also in demand for hard cidar. Enterprise is large and tasty. shopciders.com/wyndridge_farm_brewing/pa_gold_rush_hard_cider_54991www.acnursery.com/fruit-trees/apple-trees/74/goldrush
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Post by missouriboy on Oct 25, 2021 3:03:22 GMT
I like those native orange day lillies. You can always tell where some old homestead might have been even if there are virtually no traces of it left, if you see patches of those orange lillies near the road. Yep. And I have never seen a thicker mat in my life. Literally nothing will grow through that thick weave of rhizomes. I must have 10s of thousnds of them at least. If Sig runs out of potatoes, I have a substitute.
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Post by walnut on Oct 25, 2021 3:11:38 GMT
I like those native orange day lillies. You can always tell where some old homestead might have been even if there are virtually no traces of it left, if you see patches of those orange lillies near the road. Yep. And I have never seen a thicker mat in my life. Literally nothing will grow through that thick weave of rhizomes. I must have 10s of thousnds of them at least. If Sig runs out of potatoes, I have a substitute. Have you tried that? Are they good?
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Post by walnut on Oct 25, 2021 3:12:43 GMT
Moboy did you say that you have an orchard? I'm thinking about planting some apple trees (and pear trees) but I am trying to understand what might be the best combination of rootstock and scion to use for NEOK. Don't want bland grocery store type apples, prefer some interesting heirloom variety and don't really want to wait 5+ full years for a crop. The dwarf rootstocks are fast but they all have trade offs. Yes, and they require a lot of pruning, spraying, etc. I pickedup 3 main varieties: Liberty(red), Enterprise(red) and Gold Rush(yellow) ... all on M111 semi-dwarf rootstock. All are blight resistant and the first two resist cedar apple rust. Gold Rush is the best tasting apple I've ever eaten. Very unique flavor, but it is very susceptible to cedar apple rust. X-tra spraying. Neam oil works well in the natural sprays. Haven't tried the dwarfs, but I was getting some apples by years 3 and 4. Keeping the grass in check is a tough job unless you are mechanized. I heard that Gold Rush hard cidar was becoming a micro-industry. Liberty is also in demand for hard cidar. Enterprise is large and tasty. www.acnursery.com/fruit-trees/apple-trees/74/goldrushI was thinking about M111 but thought it might be a little slow. At least it makes a real tree. I'll look at those types, thanks.
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Post by Sigurdur on Oct 25, 2021 3:58:10 GMT
I like those native orange day lillies. You can always tell where some old homestead might have been even if there are virtually no traces of it left, if you see patches of those orange lillies near the road. Yep. And I have never seen a thicker mat in my life. Literally nothing will grow through that thick weave of rhizomes. I must have 10s of thousnds of them at least. If Sig runs out of potatoes, I have a substitute. I have enough to get through the winter, unless the power goes out.
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Post by missouriboy on Oct 25, 2021 13:10:47 GMT
Yep. And I have never seen a thicker mat in my life. Literally nothing will grow through that thick weave of rhizomes. I must have 10s of thousnds of them at least. If Sig runs out of potatoes, I have a substitute. Have you tried that? Are they good? I chomped down on one raw after washing. Very crisp and starchy. Mainly I've been saving those hundreds of square feet of starchy goodness for "the Apocalypse". But I guess I should work up some basic recipes and test them out. Perhaps write a short book ... "Fine Dining in the Apocalype" ... or something similar. Might start a run on a limited resource though. People with pickaxes fighing over roadside lilly beds. So maybe I won't.
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Post by missouriboy on Oct 25, 2021 13:14:27 GMT
Yep. And I have never seen a thicker mat in my life. Literally nothing will grow through that thick weave of rhizomes. I must have 10s of thousnds of them at least. If Sig runs out of potatoes, I have a substitute. I have enough to get through the winter, unless the power goes out. Hopefully your power stays on ... and here too.
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Post by missouriboy on Nov 11, 2021 16:22:40 GMT
The wild onions that emerged from this years bulbils are growing like crazy. A sea of green on the raised beds of my urban lot. Previous observations suggest that they remain so during our recent winters They are strong, prolific and nothing much eats them. I noted that, in a cold winter (2014 if memory serves) rabbits (I think) got desperate and grazed the tops. But here in the city, on the edge of a greenway, we seem to have lost our rabbits. I suspect it is due to a seeminly healthy "herd" of red foxes. They are big, numerous and seemingly have no accute fear of us. We may, at some point, have to re-install that fear. No reports of small dogs and cats dissapearing yet. And the squirrels seemingly just laugh at them. So, as a last resort, I could have greens throughout the winter ... but, if that were to occur, I expect much griping. Fox meat could be interesting, but I might need a silencer or become a bow hunter..
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Post by ratty on Nov 12, 2021 5:08:54 GMT
The wild onions that emerged from this years bulbils are growing like crazy. A sea of green on the raised beds of my urban lot. Previous observations suggest that they remain so during our recent winters They are strong, prolific and nothing much eats them. I noted that, in a cold winter (2014 if memory serves) rabbits (I think) got desperate and grazed the tops. But here in the city, on the edge of a greenway, we seem to have lost our rabbits. I suspect it is due to a seeminly healthy "herd" of red foxes. They are big, numerous and seemingly have no accute fear of us. We may, at some point, have to re-install that fear. No reports of small dogs and cats dissapearing yet. And the squirrels seemingly just laugh at them. So, as a last resort, I could have greens throughout the winter ... but, if that were to occur, I expect much griping. Fox meat could be interesting, but I might need a silencer or become a bow hunter.. I don't think a bow would be very nourishing.
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Post by Sigurdur on Nov 18, 2021 15:30:58 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 16, 2021 2:29:06 GMT
Take a look at a selection of perrennial vegetables.
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Post by walnut on Dec 16, 2021 2:42:36 GMT
Take a look at a selection of perrennial vegetables. The seed companies are not thrilled with this idea
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