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Post by code on Jun 13, 2022 21:15:56 GMT
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Post by flearider on Jun 13, 2022 21:30:03 GMT
short term yes long term no .. drones are the new battle tanks .. small to med size .. non maned cheap and effective ... 40 drones to the price of one tank ? |
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Post by acidohm on Jun 14, 2022 19:17:41 GMT
short term yes long term no .. drones are the new battle tanks .. small to med size .. non maned cheap and effective ... 40 drones to the price of one tank ? Counter measures will ensue. I've seen alot of opinions on what next for the tank. NATO would apply armour differently it seems. They're not a vehicle which in itself can be relied on, but as a part of infantry, artillery and air support, they form a important part of offensive/defensive manoevours. Russia hasn't implemented any of the above, currently its depending on overwhelming artillery power. Something Ukraine has not enough of to Counter. One can imagine tho that militaries are looking at traditionally weaker armour on top of tanks and that retrofitting may occur. |
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Post by gridley on Jun 16, 2022 10:25:27 GMT
"Experts" have predicted the demise of the tank since its introduction. Over 100 years later, there are still plenty of tanks around.
Now, the *current form* of the tank may be obsolete. Again. Nothing new there either - you don't see rhomboid tanks outside of museums for a reason. Likewise the WWII-era "heavy" and "light" forms gave way to the MBT.
And, of course, I don't think there's been a consensus at any point in the last 100 years on exactly what the ideal form of the tank was... probably because it is somewhat situational.
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Post by walnut on Jun 16, 2022 12:39:48 GMT
Duty in a tank in modern times is a bad gig. No thanks, too dangerous. I rode around in M60's in the late 80's
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Post by flearider on Jun 16, 2022 13:57:32 GMT
Duty in a tank in modern times is a bad gig. No thanks, too dangerous. I rode around in M60's in the late 80's .. was in one for a while  then got myself out of the army ..lol joined when i was 15 as a boy solider  |
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Post by missouriboy on Jun 16, 2022 19:33:34 GMT
"Experts" have predicted the demise of the tank since its introduction. Over 100 years later, there are still plenty of tanks around. Now, the *current form* of the tank may be obsolete. Again. Nothing new there either - you don't see rhomboid tanks outside of museums for a reason. Likewise the WWII-era "heavy" and "light" forms gave way to the MBT. And, of course, I don't think there's been a consensus at any point in the last 100 years on exactly what the ideal form of the tank was... probably because it is somewhat situational. Until poitiers, the equivalent of the modern tank was the mounted knight. The Battle of Poitiers, and latter engagements, finished the knight for practical purposes. We should partner up with Taiwan to finish the possibility of Chinese naval invasion.
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Post by gridley on Jun 17, 2022 11:57:25 GMT
"Experts" have predicted the demise of the tank since its introduction. Over 100 years later, there are still plenty of tanks around. Now, the *current form* of the tank may be obsolete. Again. Nothing new there either - you don't see rhomboid tanks outside of museums for a reason. Likewise the WWII-era "heavy" and "light" forms gave way to the MBT. And, of course, I don't think there's been a consensus at any point in the last 100 years on exactly what the ideal form of the tank was... probably because it is somewhat situational. Until poitiers, the equivalent of the modern tank was the mounted knight. The Battle of Poitiers, and latter engagements, finished the knight for practical purposes.
If you insist on equivalents between pre-breachloading gunpowder combat and post, then yes, heavy cavalry were the equivalent of tanks, and torsion artillery was... well, artillery.
Let's pull on that thread a little. Modern field artillery has over-the-horizon capability, area affect, is all-weather, and if we're talking SP systems can transition between movement and firing in minutes. Its casualty-causing potential is high, and its primary limits are logistics and tactical intelligence. How many of those things were true of ancient torsion artillery? Pretty much none of them. Field artillery does indeed trace back to Roman times... but the place of artillery is different.
Likewise, heavy cavalry had a different place than MBTs - in fact heavy cavalry most closely corresponds to WWII-era heavy tanks in terms of role. As noted, modern MBTs come from the WWII medium tank lineage. Heavy cavalry (properly employed for the time, anyway), did not advance by bounding overwatch. Etc.
Real life isn't DBM, or rock-paper-scissors, no matter how many games abstract things that way.
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Post by code on Jun 17, 2022 14:40:54 GMT
Cool discussion. I agree with the general discussion tanks are getting old but I think like infantry they will continue to be a part of warfare.
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Post by code on Jun 17, 2022 14:45:36 GMT
China launches third aircraft carrier in military advance www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/17/china-launches-third-aircraft-carrier-military-advance-us-fujian-taiwanAn excellent comment in the comment thread: In fact, over the coming decade or two, China will use its growing naval capabilities to intimidate vulnerable Indio-pacific countries, including:
Malaysia
Cambodia
Sri Lanka
Thailand
Indonesia
Singapore
et. al.
A Chinese Carrier parked off Colombo or Trincomalee will intimidate Sri Lanka
Indonesia cannot ever defend all the parts of its huge archipelago against an intrusive Naval threat.
This Chinese are opening a naval base in Cambodia from which they can more efficiently project naval power in the Indo-Pacific
This carrier won't be doing battle with the Nimitz or the Ford. But it will be intimidating smaller, more vulnerable states as Chinese Indo-Pacific hegemony increases
another commentor wondered how they were able to so quickly develop an electromagnetic launch platform. Hmm, yeah, that is a mystery.
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Post by code on Jun 17, 2022 16:01:02 GMT
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Post by code on Jun 17, 2022 16:20:45 GMT
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Post by code on Jun 17, 2022 16:22:36 GMT
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Post by code on Jun 17, 2022 16:25:45 GMT
Boeing (BA) Delivers Us Missile Interceptor After Years Of Delays - Bloomberg
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Post by glennkoks on Jun 17, 2022 23:30:28 GMT
They say history repeats itself.
We have a stock market crash.
War in Europe
A growing menace in Asia.
All we need is a Dust Bowl...
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then got myself out of the army ..lol joined when i was 15 as a boy solider 
