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Post by ratty on Dec 29, 2021 1:32:42 GMT
... by Julie Celestial.
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 29, 2021 3:50:36 GMT
... by Julie Celestial. She's a star!
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 30, 2021 23:33:13 GMT
What Pissed Off People Can Really Accomplish - The Peasants Revolt of 1381
Here is Part 2 -
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 30, 2022 2:01:38 GMT
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Post by Sigurdur on Feb 3, 2022 20:52:22 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 4, 2022 2:37:47 GMT
I can see an early smith running across a meteorite and doing his experiments.
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Post by Sigurdur on Feb 14, 2022 2:22:17 GMT
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Post by walnut on Feb 14, 2022 14:31:30 GMT
I can see an early smith running across a meteorite and doing his experiments. Iron melts at 2800 degrees, so they didn't achieve that feat accidentally. Once again, the ancients seemed to know maybe more than we give them credit for.
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 14, 2022 15:25:35 GMT
I can see an early smith running across a meteorite and doing his experiments. Iron melts at 2800 degrees, so they didn't achieve that feat accidentally. Once again, the ancients seemed to know maybe more than we give them credit for. There are some that ascribe star links to certain human talents. But I'm not diving down that rabbit hole unless Elon gives me a grant. My grandfather was a smith. Had his own forge and the entire setup. And there are indications that this occupation spanned many generations. It's not something that a young lad just picks up on a lark (OK Dad, I'm going out in the woods to melt some metal!). The Archs say we had 3000+ years of practice with copper and hardening alloys (tin) before we jumped into iron. A smith must have been a bit like a god to the Indo-Europeans with their cattle herds. Forges and metal-forging operations are not something that move easily. Would love to find a really good history on said topic.
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Post by flearider on Feb 14, 2022 17:42:24 GMT
I can see an early smith running across a meteorite and doing his experiments. Iron melts at 2800 degrees, so they didn't achieve that feat accidentally. Once again, the ancients seemed to know maybe more than we give them credit for. you can hear them now we need to get it fecking hotter .. it will melt by Odin's tears it will ..
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Post by pbfoot on Feb 14, 2022 19:59:20 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 15, 2022 2:34:27 GMT
Ancient history is far from a settled issue. Copper mining areas of the Balkans and NE Anatolya have been tenuously dated to 8000+ years ago. Ideas from Forbidden Archaeology were mentioned previously by Naut.
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Post by walnut on Feb 15, 2022 3:46:10 GMT
I can see an early smith running across a meteorite and doing his experiments. Iron melts at 2800 degrees, so they didn't achieve that feat accidentally. Once again, the ancients seemed to know maybe more than we give them credit for. I'm still scratching my head about those two tall buildings in New York. No axe to grind, no theories in my head. But I think that something doesn't seem right.
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Post by gridley on Feb 15, 2022 13:45:19 GMT
Iron melts at 2800 degrees, so they didn't achieve that feat accidentally. Once again, the ancients seemed to know maybe more than we give them credit for. I'm still scratching my head about those two tall buildings in New York. No axe to grind, no theories in my head. But I think that something doesn't seem right. The properties of steel alloys do not instantly change at their respective melting points, nor is there any need to melt iron or steel in order to shape it.
On the earlier topic, note that a skilled smith will hammer work a billet while it is red hot but not liquid. Why? Because while hot, but still solid, it is easier to shape then at room temperature. We need to be careful here or we digress into a long discussion on work hardening, microstructure, and the inferiority of casting as a forming process.
We can also talk about the difference between heat and temperature, and heating something in an enclosed space. You can easily melt tin over an open fire. Try melting silver or iron that way and it will laugh at you.
Then we might examine the shock effect on a steel lattice structure of a hundred ton impactor moving at high speed.
I certainly can't prove there was no 'funny business', but Occam's Razor is quite sharp enough for this case.
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 15, 2022 13:57:15 GMT
The transgressors might argue that Allah's will burns hotter than steel's resistance. But there we enter a whole new realm.
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