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Post by missouriboy on Jul 17, 2021 6:14:32 GMT
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Post by Sigurdur on Jul 17, 2021 11:16:36 GMT
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Post by gridley on Jul 17, 2021 14:22:58 GMT
You're assuming an asymptomatic person can pass on the virus.
You're also assuming deaths reported as caused by the "Indian variant" are actually caused by COVID-19. Do we need to bring up the 'hit by a car, listed as died of COVID-19' cases again?
You're assuming that people who haven't been reported as cases haven't had the virus.
If one person dies one day, and three die the next, deaths have tripled. Saying "deaths have tripled" is nothing but a scare tactic.
With respect to what I assume, you got 1 out of 3 right. Why post things that are wrong? Right back at you, then. If those aren't your assumptions, then you posted something you believed was wrong.
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Post by gridley on Jul 17, 2021 14:31:51 GMT
I don't believe for a moment that only 10% of the US population has been infected. With antibody testing suppressed (nearly impossible to find) there will be no larger-picture estimates. Hard to keep up a skeer if most everybody you know has had it. Like comparing minor scars after a battle. The $25 solution (per sample) just will not do. Hats off to the Jakarta few that got this done. Where are our brave boys? The CDC publishes estimates of the total people infected with COVID in the US but it doesn't get much publicity. As I recall, their last number was something like 33%. I distinctly remember a number of 83 million in the first quarter which would be about 25%.
I would be very interested to see CDC's estimate of total infections in the US being ~33%/83 million... especially since, as I linked (here it is again: covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailytrendscases ) they're saying ~33.8 million total cases in the US as of today. They're also reporting ~476 million people have been tested in total, with ~36 million positive results. Obviously that's more tests than there are people in the US, so some people have been tested more than once (or CDC is making up numbers again, which of course we can't rule out).
If a third of the US population has actually had it that would indeed be very good news.
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Post by Sigurdur on Jul 17, 2021 14:54:56 GMT
Potentially closer to 50% of US population has contracted Covid19.
My opinion is based on Spanish Flu spread, basically end etc.
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Post by missouriboy on Jul 17, 2021 16:03:53 GMT
Potentially closer to 50% of US population has contracted Covid19. My opinion is based on Spanish Flu spread, basically end etc. And if they had implemented low-cost antibody testing early on, we would know a lt more. But that may be what they didn't want. Got this friendly message from Proboards when my computer rebooted today. Stay Home. Stay Safe. This is a public service announcement from ProBoards, Inc.
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Post by duwayne on Jul 18, 2021 0:27:31 GMT
The CDC publishes estimates of the total people infected with COVID in the US but it doesn't get much publicity. As I recall, their last number was something like 33%. I distinctly remember a number of 83 million in the first quarter which would be about 25%.
I would be very interested to see CDC's estimate of total infections in the US being ~33%/83 million... especially since, as I linked (here it is again: covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailytrendscases ) they're saying ~33.8 million total cases in the US as of today. They're also reporting ~476 million people have been tested in total, with ~36 million positive results. Obviously that's more tests than there are people in the US, so some people have been tested more than once (or CDC is making up numbers again, which of course we can't rule out).
If a third of the US population has actually had it that would indeed be very good news.
This one was easy to find since I just googled 83 million infections CDC.
Since you are interested you can find the latest numbers and let us know.
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Post by duwayne on Jul 18, 2021 1:05:37 GMT
With respect to what I assume, you got 1 out of 3 right. Why post things that are wrong? Right back at you, then. If those aren't your assumptions, then you posted something you believed was wrong.
One of your claims was "You're (meaning me) assuming that people who haven't been reported as cases haven't had the virus."
I've listed above a reference to a CDC estimate of 83 million COVID infections which is much higher than the cases reported. Several days ago on this thread I listed a higher, (more recent) CDC estimate of infections. I don't assume these estimates are perfect. So what you said isn't true. I do accept apologies.
Do you know of a case where someone who was killed by a car was listed as a COVID death by the CDC as you referenced above? If so, I'd like a reference.
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Post by missouriboy on Jul 18, 2021 5:04:57 GMT
I would be very interested to see CDC's estimate of total infections in the US being ~33%/83 million... especially since, as I linked (here it is again: covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailytrendscases ) they're saying ~33.8 million total cases in the US as of today. They're also reporting ~476 million people have been tested in total, with ~36 million positive results. Obviously that's more tests than there are people in the US, so some people have been tested more than once (or CDC is making up numbers again, which of course we can't rule out).
If a third of the US population has actually had it that would indeed be very good news.
This one was easy to find since I just googled 83 million infections CDC.
Since you are interested you can find the latest numbers and let us know.
I am glad to see that the CDC statistical people are at least somewhat on the the ball. It doesn't say what the sample size was, nor the period over which the samples were collected. I am ASSUMING that these were blood antibody tests. It also doesn't say if any of this is being statistically followed up to evaluate if antibody development from normal exposure precludes re-infection, like some smaller studies suggested. An important point in my opinion. If almost nobody who has antibodies gets re-infected, that is very important ... and us, the citizens, have a right to know that. If true, it would likely limit the quantities of vaccines needed going forward. Some of our ethically challenged rulers might prefer to ignore such a result. Afterall, a relatively expensive vaccine generates more cash flow than a $25 finger stick test. A new base of 83 million also recasts the deathrate to 0.75% maximum, given the data are likely 6 months old. And still the authoritarians drone on. These are the people that should be tried for sedition.
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Post by Sigurdur on Jul 18, 2021 13:28:07 GMT
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Post by duwayne on Jul 18, 2021 15:15:53 GMT
Sotrovimab may be worth trying if you get COVID. It has FDA emergency approval. Your doctor may be aware of something better.
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Post by gridley on Jul 18, 2021 17:30:32 GMT
Right back at you, then. If those aren't your assumptions, then you posted something you believed was wrong.
One of your claims was "You're (meaning me) assuming that people who haven't been reported as cases haven't had the virus."
I've listed above a reference to a CDC estimate of 83 million COVID infections which is much higher than the cases reported. Several days ago on this thread I listed a higher, (more recent) CDC estimate of infections. I don't assume these estimates are perfect. So what you said isn't true. I do accept apologies.
Do you know of a case where someone who was killed by a car was listed as a COVID death by the CDC as you referenced above? If so, I'd like a reference.
As for the death by COVID-19/CDC there were several posts on the old board... where we also established you don't like reading other people's posts. And, as here, you selectively ignore things. If it weren't for your posts on other threads I'd assume you were a troll.
So, I apologize for giving you a second chance after blocking you on the old board.
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Post by missouriboy on Jul 18, 2021 18:01:09 GMT
So now (early 2021) CDC estimates that 114 million covid infections have occurred in a US population estimated at 332.4 million. Thus an infection rate of 34%. And 625 thousand deaths would translate into 0.55% of the infected population. I have no information to quantify the number of vaccinated people not included in the 114 million infections. Unless new variants are re-infecting previously infected or the vaccinated-uninfected population, then they should rapidly be running out of people to infect.
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Post by acidohm on Jul 18, 2021 18:14:20 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Jul 19, 2021 0:16:25 GMT
I have seen similar. What I haven't found, are documented cases of people previously infected, that were re-infected. Possible. But when the authorities claim that only vaccines are the way forward, that's a problem.
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