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Post by ratty on Nov 14, 2023 22:39:34 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Nov 15, 2023 19:33:54 GMT
I think Nikki just lost some support.
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Post by phydeaux2363 on Nov 15, 2023 20:01:03 GMT
As well she should. One has to wonder where that came from.
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Post by Sigurdur on Nov 15, 2023 20:05:47 GMT
As well she should. One has to wonder where that came from. If had listened to Niki in the past, her statement isn't surprising. |
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Post by code on Dec 15, 2023 4:13:31 GMT
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Post by gridley on Dec 16, 2023 16:14:54 GMT
notthebee.com/article/this-is-probably-the-best-thing-ron-desantis-has-ever-said"At the last Republican presidential debate, the candidates were asked which former president they would draw inspiration from if elected themselves. For my money, Nikki Haley had the only correct answer when she said George Washington. Vivek Ramaswamy picked Thomas Jefferson, Chris Christie chose Ronald Reagan, and then Ron DeSantis had his turn." [Coolidge.] "No, Coolidge was no George Washington, but who was? Besides, Washington is the right answer, but it's also an easy one. But Calvin Coolidge? He was a rockstar, and we would be well served as a country if we could have someone lead us who would follow his example." I really have no opinion of Coolidge. He occupies one of the gaps in US History that I haven't studied extensively. Nevertheless I believe I like DeSantis' answer. It speaks in the first place to his knowledge of history, but more importantly it encourages people to go learn a little more about US history in order to decide if he was right. Yes, most people are just going to dismiss his answer as "wrong"... though from a campaign prospective he couldn't echo Washington, and frankly most "famous" presidents were actually pretty bad when you get right down to it. But how do presidents become "famous"? Either they screw up the country massively (FDR, Clinton, etc.), they are mostly famous for what they did PRIOR to being president (Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and for that matter Washington himself), they manage to pull off some critical success but are generally not great as people (JFK being the shining example here on both counts), or they are the rarest of the rare - good people who are also good leaders (Washington and.... well...). The problem is that history, especially today, is great about ripping up the almost-greats for their flaws. We also tend to elevate immediate results despite their long-term negative implications. Yes, Lincoln ended slavery. He also trampled all over the Constitution and the law whenever he felt he needed to. IMO his goal of restoring the union was actually the right one, but the means he embraced to reach it set a terrible precedent his successors could use for progressively (word chosen with malice aforethought) worse and worse ends. So, who's left after you eliminate Washington? Not a rhetorical question, I'm actually curious who you'd say? Maybe Coolidge? :-)
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Post by ratty on Dec 16, 2023 23:13:44 GMT
notthebee.com/article/this-is-probably-the-best-thing-ron-desantis-has-ever-said"At the last Republican presidential debate, the candidates were asked which former president they would draw inspiration from if elected themselves. For my money, Nikki Haley had the only correct answer when she said George Washington. Vivek Ramaswamy picked Thomas Jefferson, Chris Christie chose Ronald Reagan, and then Ron DeSantis had his turn." [Coolidge.] "No, Coolidge was no George Washington, but who was? Besides, Washington is the right answer, but it's also an easy one. But Calvin Coolidge? He was a rockstar, and we would be well served as a country if we could have someone lead us who would follow his example." I really have no opinion of Coolidge. He occupies one of the gaps in US History that I haven't studied extensively. Nevertheless I believe I like DeSantis' answer. It speaks in the first place to his knowledge of history, but more importantly it encourages people to go learn a little more about US history in order to decide if he was right. Yes, most people are just going to dismiss his answer as "wrong"... though from a campaign prospective he couldn't echo Washington, and frankly most "famous" presidents were actually pretty bad when you get right down to it. But how do presidents become "famous"? Either they screw up the country massively (FDR, Clinton, etc.), they are mostly famous for what they did PRIOR to being president (Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and for that matter Washington himself), they manage to pull off some critical success but are generally not great as people (JFK being the shining example here on both counts), or they are the rarest of the rare - good people who are also good leaders (Washington and.... well...). The problem is that history, especially today, is great about ripping up the almost-greats for their flaws. We also tend to elevate immediate results despite their long-term negative implications. Yes, Lincoln ended slavery. He also trampled all over the Constitution and the law whenever he felt he needed to. IMO his goal of restoring the union was actually the right one, but the means he embraced to reach it set a terrible precedent his successors could use for progressively (word chosen with malice aforethought) worse and worse ends. So, who's left after you eliminate Washington? Not a rhetorical question, I'm actually curious who you'd say? Maybe Coolidge? :-) Now, he just needs to learn to smile occasionally.  |
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 18, 2023 14:11:05 GMT
Are there now an increasing number of voters that don't believe anything the government says? We are a cynical lot ... those that don't lean toward the green storm trooper banner. Is it justified? Is Vivek serious? Or (as Walnut said?) is he just a good salesman?
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Post by ratty on Dec 19, 2023 3:38:30 GMT
Are there now an increasing number of voters that don't believe anything the government says? We are a cynical lot ... those that don't lean toward the green storm trooper banner. Is it justified? Is Vivek serious? Or (as Walnut said?) is he just a good salesman?
He's remarkably persistent and polite ... unlike the host. |
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Post by gridley on Dec 21, 2023 12:33:19 GMT
Its been fairly widely reported so I won't bother with a link; with Colorado removing Trump from the ballot on completely invalid grounds and CA likely to follow soon (and then more states, I have no doubt) we are officially no longer a republic.
"The workers of the Soviet Union have once again elected Comrade Stalin..." Really easy to ensure open elections when only your people are on the ballot.
I wonder whether this was planned? I remain unconvinced by the more extreme theories about the January 6th incident, but say they were true. The media and key figures among the Dems started tossing around the word "insurrection" AWFULLY fast (especially considering that for the entirety of US history insurrections involved guns, and none seem to have been present at the Capitol). Did someone have this in mind from the beginning? If we can't lock him up, we will just redefine some more words to make him ineligible?
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Post by walnut on Dec 21, 2023 14:36:54 GMT
Are there now an increasing number of voters that don't believe anything the government says? We are a cynical lot ... those that don't lean toward the green storm trooper banner. Is it justified? Is Vivek serious? Or (as Walnut said?) is he just a good salesman?
He's remarkably persistent and polite ... unlike the host. But he's really fairly unpalatable. I think he will age well soon, like a brandy, just 4 or 5 years. |
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 21, 2023 17:53:03 GMT
He's remarkably persistent and polite ... unlike the host. But he's really fairly unpalatable. I think he will age well soon, like a brandy, just 4 or 5 years. What does a lit match do? Happy solstice all. |
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 23, 2023 23:25:17 GMT
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Post by Sigurdur on Dec 24, 2023 0:04:06 GMT
I am going to be on the No Labels committee to acquire ballot access in ND.
I don't care for Biden, any skills he had are long gone.
I don't care for Trump as I remember how he threw freedom under the bus, also pushed for ineffective vaccine.
It is time, for my children and grandchildren to have a voice through me. It is my responsibility to pave the way for their voices to be heard.
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Post by douglavers on Dec 24, 2023 5:23:53 GMT
Even to a complete outsider, the Colorado decision reeks of political bias.
It will be pretty sad for US democracy if the Supreme Court does not robustly reverse it.
It would be interesting if in passing they stated that Jan 6th could not be considered an "insurrection."
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