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Post by missouriboy on Mar 24, 2023 14:29:32 GMT
Here’s an article from 2020 asking some of what I ask in the post above. I heard this morning how AI has generated a drug that holds the promise of curing a common form of liver cancer. That’s fantastic news. Who ultimately will determine when and how AI is used in/for society? How do I opt in or out? If I were still a “free” man, I would be able to opt out. It’s possible I soon may not be able to purchase an internal combustion vehicle, a gas stove or ammunition for a firearm. I may not be able to access my savings. I may own nothing….but I guarantee I will not be happy. You all may think I’m conflating AI’s emergence with the other issues I mention…but I don’t. There are many examples in history where "opting out" came with heavy penalties. Authoritarians cannot allow an opt out and retain their authority. Imagine telling the Wehrmacht recruiter that you'd rather not go. Americans have been generally lucky with their freedoms. Choice has generally been allowed except in times of "emergency". Missouri 1862 - Men had the choice of coming in and joining the Union Militia. Opting out guaranteed you being treated as an active partisan ... subject to execution on capture. How close did we come to a similar situation with the Covid vaccines? Under an authoritarian government would American neighborhoods have looked Chinese? Could we expect a "good terminator" to emerge from a World of Cindys? How many Cindys' would look like Arnold versus your average concentration camp guard? Not to pick on the Germans or anything.
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Post by blustnmtn on Mar 24, 2023 14:43:11 GMT
Here’s an article from 2020 asking some of what I ask in the post above. I heard this morning how AI has generated a drug that holds the promise of curing a common form of liver cancer. That’s fantastic news. Who ultimately will determine when and how AI is used in/for society? How do I opt in or out? If I were still a “free” man, I would be able to opt out. It’s possible I soon may not be able to purchase an internal combustion vehicle, a gas stove or ammunition for a firearm. I may not be able to access my savings. I may own nothing….but I guarantee I will not be happy. You all may think I’m conflating AI’s emergence with the other issues I mention…but I don’t. There are many examples in history where "opting out" came with heavy penalties. Authoritarians cannot allow an opt out and retain their authority. Imagine telling the Wehrmacht recruiter that you'd rather not go. Americans have been generally lucky with their freedoms. Choice has generally been allowed except in times of "emergency". Missouri 1862 - Men had the choice of coming in and joining the Union Militia. Opting out guaranteed you being treated as an active partisan ... subject to execution on capture. How close did we come to a similar situation with the Covid vaccines? Under an authoritarian government would American neighborhoods have looked Chinese? Could we expect a "good terminator" to emerge from a World of Cindys? How many Cindys' would look like Arnold versus your average concentration camp guard? Not to pick on the Germans or anything. It’s the inexorable, subtle slide that the frog doesn’t realize until it’s too late…
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 24, 2023 15:22:44 GMT
There are many examples in history where "opting out" came with heavy penalties. Authoritarians cannot allow an opt out and retain their authority. Imagine telling the Wehrmacht recruiter that you'd rather not go. Americans have been generally lucky with their freedoms. Choice has generally been allowed except in times of "emergency". Missouri 1862 - Men had the choice of coming in and joining the Union Militia. Opting out guaranteed you being treated as an active partisan ... subject to execution on capture. How close did we come to a similar situation with the Covid vaccines? Under an authoritarian government would American neighborhoods have looked Chinese? Could we expect a "good terminator" to emerge from a World of Cindys? How many Cindys' would look like Arnold versus your average concentration camp guard? Not to pick on the Germans or anything. It’s the inexorable, subtle slide that the frog doesn’t realize until it’s too late… I think I may have underestimated the extent to which "wokism" ( I use the inclusive term) has infiltrated my own generation. Had a "very strange" experience last Sunday. I had received a call from a guy I hadn't seen or heard from in 50 years. Biologist who I'd camped with and driven pea combines with during college summer breaks. We met up in a restaurant here in COMO. Things were going reasonably well before "it came up" that I was not covid-vaccininated. The tone immediately changed to insult and derogatory comments. OK, wasn't exactly expecting that. A few minutes later I was called "A Denier" for not affirming CO2's deadly embrace. Eye contact seemed to say "Deadly Vermin here". Apparently this was NOT a science issue. Meeting broke up shortly thereafter with a final broadside "I bet you believe in God too". Wow! Maybe I need to get out more.
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Post by blustnmtn on Mar 24, 2023 15:47:28 GMT
It’s the inexorable, subtle slide that the frog doesn’t realize until it’s too late… I think I may have underestimated the extent to which "wokism" ( I use the inclusive term) has infiltrated my own generation. Had a "very strange" experience last Sunday. I had received a call from a guy I hadn't seen or heard from in 50 years. Biologist who I'd camped with and driven pea combines with during college summer breaks. We met up in a restaurant here in COMO. Things were going reasonably well before "it came up" that I was not covid-vaccininated. The tone immediately changed to insult and derogatory comments. OK, wasn't exactly expecting that. A few minutes later I was called "A Denier" for not affirming CO2's deadly embrace. Eye contact seemed to say "Deadly Vermin here". Apparently this was NOT a science issue. Meeting broke up shortly thereafter with a final broadside "I bet you believe in God too". Wow! Maybe I need to get out more. The musket might have been an issue Mo’boy…just sayin’🙃
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 24, 2023 16:44:06 GMT
I think I may have underestimated the extent to which "wokism" ( I use the inclusive term) has infiltrated my own generation. Had a "very strange" experience last Sunday. I had received a call from a guy I hadn't seen or heard from in 50 years. Biologist who I'd camped with and driven pea combines with during college summer breaks. We met up in a restaurant here in COMO. Things were going reasonably well before "it came up" that I was not covid-vaccininated. The tone immediately changed to insult and derogatory comments. OK, wasn't exactly expecting that. A few minutes later I was called "A Denier" for not affirming CO2's deadly embrace. Eye contact seemed to say "Deadly Vermin here". Apparently this was NOT a science issue. Meeting broke up shortly thereafter with a final broadside "I bet you believe in God too". Wow! Maybe I need to get out more. The musket might have been an issue Mo’boy…just sayin’🙃 The bar doesn't allow muskets. Blessed be the peacemakers for they shall be eaten alive.
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Post by code on Mar 24, 2023 22:04:48 GMT
Bummed today. My truck needs a lot of work... and the Washington State Supreme Court just ruled that capital gains from a stock sale etc. is just an excise tax so they are taxing profits.
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 24, 2023 22:14:52 GMT
Justme. I certainly see why Iran would want to get in their two cents. I seem to have missed the French public hangings though.
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Post by slh1234 on Mar 24, 2023 22:33:23 GMT
Let me ask you a question, you give an example of how someone categorized you based on covid vaccine status or CO2 thoughts, but you classified this how "wokism" has infiltrated our generation. Do you not see your part in the polarization?
Look, I don't belong to a political party. I know people on here think they are independent thinkers, but in every thread I click on, I see such examples of thinking by association, all while accusing the other side of doing the same. I think it's a mutual self-fulfilling prophecy that just continues to escalate tensions. I know when I comment (not necessarily here) I constantly get accused of being a neo-con who just can't admit it, or a libby who just can't admit it, depending on who I'm not agreeing with. Personally, I just don't want to associate with a side specifically because I don't want my thinking to become like this.
Do you think I'm off base in that observation?
If the thinking is really independent, a person wouldn't be able, with any confidence, to look at someone's view on one issue and be pretty sure of where they stand on other issues. But I would posit that it's pretty predictable so long as you know what country the person originates from, and the reason the country context is important is because political alignment differs by country.
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Post by slh1234 on Mar 24, 2023 22:53:52 GMT
I've seen more advancement in the last year in AI than I did in the previous 15 years. I won't make it to retirement without having to significantly alter how I need to do work, and that's just reality. So ... it's either get ready or get left behind - it should not be a surprise to me.
Really, it's exciting to me, and it helps me to be much more productive. For one thing, I have to present my ideas to get buy-in for collaboration, and I have never been visually artistic. I create the ugliest and most mundane presentations imaginable, and depend on text a lot, which really loses my audience at times. I use AI to make my presentations beautiful, which allows me to hold attention better while I use the presentation to convey the story.
ChatGPT was just the beginning of what has grabbed people's attention in recent weeks. I use DALL-E (now in bing.com/create) to generate images, and with all of this now being incorporated into Office 365, a lot of the drudgery is being eliminated, which leaves me more time to focus on data science and machine learning, and really, AI is just automation based on Machine Learning, with some rules-based evaluations depending on the context.
It's here. We can't opt out or stop it, so there's not sense in being Ned Ludd. Really, being unaffiliated politically, I see that there are people from different political viewpoints that work on these things, and the people developing these technologies are nothing like those opposing the development of AI imagine them to be. It's new and uncomfortable to some, especially those of us on the high end of the generation gap, it seems. We can't stop it, though. It's a tool to be used.
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So far as what concerns me: Humans are a bloodthirsty and predatory species, and I see the military minded already looking for new ways to use AI technologies to wage war. Those are completely different people than the ones I'm talking about who develop things like computer vision and cognitive services. Unfortunately, I think when people begin to align themselves to extremes politically so that they see "liberals" or "conservatives" as a threat, THAT is when I become worried about AI getting in their hands because their misguided idealism can lead them to think they're doing a good thing by getting rid of those who disagree with them. In the US, liberals and conservatives are both Americans, but it seems that the extremes of those two factions can't accept that, and since so few in the US actually align with the extremes of these positions, that leads them into a kind of paranoia thinking everybody is against them. When people begin to get to that position, that's when I begin to distrust them. Fortunately, it seems to me that those on the extremes are mostly afraid of the current AI developments recently. That leaves me mostly just worried about ambitious dictators.
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 25, 2023 3:14:12 GMT
Let me ask you a question, you give an example of how someone categorized you based on covid vaccine status or CO2 thoughts, but you classified this how "wokism" has infiltrated our generation. Do you not see your part in the polarization? Look, I don't belong to a political party. I know people on here think they are independent thinkers, but in every thread I click on, I see such examples of thinking by association, all while accusing the other side of doing the same. I think it's a mutual self-fulfilling prophecy that just continues to escalate tensions. I know when I comment (not necessarily here) I constantly get accused of being a neo-con who just can't admit it, or a libby who just can't admit it, depending on who I'm not agreeing with. Personally, I just don't want to associate with a side specifically because I don't want my thinking to become like this. Do you think I'm off base in that observation? If the thinking is really independent, a person wouldn't be able, with any confidence, to look at someone's view on one issue and be pretty sure of where they stand on other issues. But I would posit that it's pretty predictable so long as you know what country the person originates from, and the reason the country context is important is because political alignment differs by country. I see your point slh. I don't totally disagree. Having been trained in the sciences, I try to utilize the scientific method when analyzing or drawing conclusions from analysis. I may fail occassionally, but I consider it a matter of professional ethics to try. I like to think that I am just as likely to post a study that differs from my opinion as one that supports it ... if it is sufficiently rigorous. Having said that, I find no reason to apologize for a position expressed/taken on the basis of that approach ... while recognizing that scientific outcomes do and will change. Terms such as "Denier" are almost always thrown out as attempted insults for those who fail to buy the CAGW narrative hook, line and sinker. Usually I think because the "thrower" does not wish to argue the merits of the particular issue, even if nobody asked them to. The term "Woke or Wokism"" actually has a set of loose definitions coined by the Woke themselves. They are generally political/social, not scientific. Yes ... intonation can change a good noun into a slur. But the polarization is I think unlikely to go away anytime soon. If asked I will argue an issue on the basis of what I see the merits to be. But, if asked, I will not be silent just because some may not like the answer. I think you should understand that since you also do it frequently.
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Post by slh1234 on Mar 25, 2023 3:37:06 GMT
Let me ask you a question, you give an example of how someone categorized you based on covid vaccine status or CO2 thoughts, but you classified this how "wokism" has infiltrated our generation. Do you not see your part in the polarization? Look, I don't belong to a political party. I know people on here think they are independent thinkers, but in every thread I click on, I see such examples of thinking by association, all while accusing the other side of doing the same. I think it's a mutual self-fulfilling prophecy that just continues to escalate tensions. I know when I comment (not necessarily here) I constantly get accused of being a neo-con who just can't admit it, or a libby who just can't admit it, depending on who I'm not agreeing with. Personally, I just don't want to associate with a side specifically because I don't want my thinking to become like this. Do you think I'm off base in that observation? If the thinking is really independent, a person wouldn't be able, with any confidence, to look at someone's view on one issue and be pretty sure of where they stand on other issues. But I would posit that it's pretty predictable so long as you know what country the person originates from, and the reason the country context is important is because political alignment differs by country. I see your point slh. I don't totally disagree. Having been trained in the sciences, I try to utilize the scientific method when analyzing or drawing conclusions from analysis. I may fail occassionally, but I consider it a matter of professional ethics to try. I like to think that I am just as likely to post a study that differs from my opinion as one that supports it ... if it is sufficiently rigorous. Having said that, I find no reason to apologize for a position expressed/taken on the basis of that approach ... while recognizing that scientific outcomes do and will change. Terms such as "Denier" are almost always thrown out as attempted insults for those who fail to buy the CAGW narrative hook, line and sinker. Usually I think because the "thrower" does not wish to argue the merits of the particular issue, even if nobody asked them to. The term "Woke or Wokism"" actually has a set of loose definitions coined by the Woke themselves. They are generally political/social, not scientific. Yes ... intonation can change a good noun into a slur. But the polarization is I think unlikely to go away anytime soon. If asked I will argue an issue on the basis of what I see the merits to be. But, if asked, I will not be silent just because some may not like the answer. I think you should understand that since you also do it frequently. Yes. I often find myself to have those human tendencies. I also hear quite often from my colleages that I come across very differently in text than in person. Either way, though, I find myself to be no stranger to disagreement.
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 25, 2023 3:42:41 GMT
I see your point slh. I don't totally disagree. Having been trained in the sciences, I try to utilize the scientific method when analyzing or drawing conclusions from analysis. I may fail occassionally, but I consider it a matter of professional ethics to try. I like to think that I am just as likely to post a study that differs from my opinion as one that supports it ... if it is sufficiently rigorous. Having said that, I find no reason to apologize for a position expressed/taken on the basis of that approach ... while recognizing that scientific outcomes do and will change. Terms such as "Denier" are almost always thrown out as attempted insults for those who fail to buy the CAGW narrative hook, line and sinker. Usually I think because the "thrower" does not wish to argue the merits of the particular issue, even if nobody asked them to. The term "Woke or Wokism"" actually has a set of loose definitions coined by the Woke themselves. They are generally political/social, not scientific. Yes ... intonation can change a good noun into a slur. But the polarization is I think unlikely to go away anytime soon. If asked I will argue an issue on the basis of what I see the merits to be. But, if asked, I will not be silent just because some may not like the answer. I think you should understand that since you also do it frequently. Yes. I often find myself to have those human tendencies. I also hear quite often from my colleages that I come across very differently in text than in person. Either way, though, I find myself to be no stranger to disagreement. In disagreement lies the heart of science. And other things.
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 25, 2023 3:59:00 GMT
Texas didn't get permits for razor-wire fence at border in latest Gov. Abbott-Biden standoff
Governor Abbott should tell El Presidente where he can put that barbed wire.
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Post by ratty on Mar 25, 2023 7:02:28 GMT
Looking for a fact checker .... did Wyoming really shoot itself in the foot wrt Omamacare?
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Post by Sigurdur on Mar 25, 2023 20:26:46 GMT
Let me ask you a question, you give an example of how someone categorized you based on covid vaccine status or CO2 thoughts, but you classified this how "wokism" has infiltrated our generation. Do you not see your part in the polarization? Look, I don't belong to a political party. I know people on here think they are independent thinkers, but in every thread I click on, I see such examples of thinking by association, all while accusing the other side of doing the same. I think it's a mutual self-fulfilling prophecy that just continues to escalate tensions. I know when I comment (not necessarily here) I constantly get accused of being a neo-con who just can't admit it, or a libby who just can't admit it, depending on who I'm not agreeing with. Personally, I just don't want to associate with a side specifically because I don't want my thinking to become like this. Do you think I'm off base in that observation? If the thinking is really independent, a person wouldn't be able, with any confidence, to look at someone's view on one issue and be pretty sure of where they stand on other issues. But I would posit that it's pretty predictable so long as you know what country the person originates from, and the reason the country context is important is because political alignment differs by country. You may be able to predict my response part of the time. 50% perhaps?
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