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Post by Sigurdur on Feb 3, 2023 22:34:12 GMT
They have been far more accurate then anything in the western media. Additionally, I use open source / uncensored news. So I see battles recorded by drones, geolocate lines, and even see photos of tens of dead soldiers daily. Much of what is reported by the western media, is often not the case. Time always tells. Incidentally, I could code and create a fact check website in about 60 minutes. I am curious where you think this conflict is going, and how it will end? I have not the slightest idea where it is going or how it will end. The most likely scenario is a negotiated peace settlement that involves land for peace. With the amount of aid coming in from the west, HIMARS, Patriot missile systems, Leopard II tanks and M1 Abrams it will be hard for the Russians to just march through Ukraine. And if they do I see a multi year occupation ending the same way the occupation of Afghanistan ended for both the Russians and the US. When all is said and done and this mess is resolved I can't see it being a win for the Russians. They will have lost all the market share in Europe for their fossil fuels and western economic sanctions will take a toll over time. I think Putin underestimated the resistance from Ukraine. It's clear he thought he would be welcomed as a liberator and his troops would be marching through Kiev in a matter of weeks. The objective of Russia was never to annex all of Ukraine.
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Post by glennkoks on Feb 3, 2023 23:43:50 GMT
Sigurdur, Assuming they get these areas, is the price they are going to have to pay for the annexation of the Donbas and Crimea going to be worth it? Losing a huge market share of both natural gas and crude oil to Europe? International sanctions? Being kicked out of the swift banking system? Russian separatists already controlled much of these areas prior to the war.
Seems like a poor choice from an economic standpoint. Not to mention the cost in human lives.
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Post by ratty on Feb 4, 2023 0:23:20 GMT
Sigurdur, Assuming they get these areas, is the price they are going to have to pay for the annexation of the Donbas and Crimea going to be worth it? Losing a huge market share of both natural gas and crude oil to Europe? International sanctions? Being kicked out of the swift banking system? Russian separatists already controlled much of these areas prior to the war. Seems like a poor choice from an economic standpoint. Not to mention the cost in human lives. I don't think that would have entered Putin's calculations.
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Post by Sigurdur on Feb 4, 2023 0:40:37 GMT
Sigurdur, Assuming they get these areas, is the price they are going to have to pay for the annexation of the Donbas and Crimea going to be worth it? Losing a huge market share of both natural gas and crude oil to Europe? International sanctions? Being kicked out of the swift banking system? Russian separatists already controlled much of these areas prior to the war. Seems like a poor choice from an economic standpoint. Not to mention the cost in human lives. Russian separatists controlled some of the area. ASPOV kept killing Russians
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Post by Sigurdur on Feb 4, 2023 0:43:05 GMT
Sigurdur, Assuming they get these areas, is the price they are going to have to pay for the annexation of the Donbas and Crimea going to be worth it? Losing a huge market share of both natural gas and crude oil to Europe? International sanctions? Being kicked out of the swift banking system? Russian separatists already controlled much of these areas prior to the war. Seems like a poor choice from an economic standpoint. Not to mention the cost in human lives. I don't think that would have entered Putin's calculations. Human life has never mattered to supposed leaders.
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Post by justme on Feb 5, 2023 14:55:36 GMT
Turkish media published alleged leaked Ukrainian and Russian losses from Israeli intelligence (Mossad). hurseda.net/gundem/246987-iddia-mossad-a-gore-ukrayna-ve-rusya-kayiplari.html408,230 Ukraine losses VS. 63,303 losses on Russian side (this does not include mercenaries or NATO trainers/soldiers, 8052) Many of Russia's losses are also likely LPR/DPR and Wagner (Or perhaps this does not include LPR/DPR?). The regular Russian forces have been shelling from a distance since this conflict began. While I cannot say for certain if there are is any truth to these numbers, from everything I have seen since the start of this conflict leads me to believe these may be accurate. For example: Russia could of bombarded Ukraine's energy infrastructure from day 1. In the fall when they started the energy infrastructure bombardment, they were only hitting transformers. These transformers can be manufactured and replaced in 12-18 months. If Russia started hitting the power generation facilities (hydro-electric dams and ect) the power grid would take longer than a decade to restore. If the losses were even remotely even, Russia would of took the next escalation step long ago. This also gives a glimpse how badly this conflict has gone for Ukraine, and how dire the current situation is. Additionally, the Ex-Prime minister of Israel Naftali Bennet on his YouTube channel claims the west disrupted the March Russia-Ukraine negotiations. He also stated there were 17 drafts. Germany and France wanted to take a pragmatic approach. The United Kingdom was for a radical approach. The United States supported both. 2:57:00 minutes in. Make sure your Closed Captions are on, so YouTube will auto translate. Whoever was in charge of foreign policy leading up to this conflict needs to be criminally charged. Also, it was further insult to injury not negotiating in March. The death and destruction is catastrophic. Ukraine will lose more territory because of it. The global economy and geopolitical relationships will never work in the same way. Bennett also talks about how Zelensky was hiding in a secret bunker at the start of the SMO. Bennett got Putin's word that he would not kill Zelensky. He then reiterated this to Zelensky. 2 hours later Zelensky started filming videos of 'not being afraid'. 2:41:36
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Post by acidohm on Feb 5, 2023 15:20:16 GMT
The Ukrainian equipment losses are greater then prior stocks.
Justme....you are posting nonsense here because why...you want to change minds or what.
There's maybe 15 active posters on this site, what do you wish to achieve with the time you spend writing posts?
I'm not listening...
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Post by acidohm on Feb 5, 2023 15:32:04 GMT
More news from Russia....
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Post by flearider on Feb 5, 2023 17:38:50 GMT
150k to 18k ...lol feck off if that were the case they would never had anyone to gain ground back .. and would be running for the hills .. sorry vote to kick justme for being an idiot ..
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 5, 2023 18:32:03 GMT
150k to 18k ...lol feck off if that were the case they would never had anyone to gain ground back .. and would be running for the hills .. sorry vote to kick justme for being an idiot ..
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Post by acidohm on Feb 5, 2023 18:45:30 GMT
It's as if someone copied these overestimates and change the army....
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Post by justme on Feb 5, 2023 22:40:25 GMT
150k to 18k ...lol feck off if that were the case they would never had anyone to gain ground back .. and would be running for the hills .. sorry vote to kick justme for being an idiot .. Both sides admit Russia has a significant artillery advantage in quantity and range. Additionally, Ukraine has been bombarded by long range cruise and ballistic missiles since day 1. Douglas Macgregor states Russia has a 10:1 artillery advantage. He also mentions how the United States in WWI fought for 110 days days and has 310,000 casualties. Says the dynamics are similar. Mentions 257,000 Ukrainians killed. It's common sense Ukraine has disporportionate losses. I would also encourage you to research laws passed to mandatory conscript Ukrainians as young as 16, and as old as 70. In fact, we have seen further crackdowns. www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-zelenskyy-war-military-law/In May, Ukrainian government officials were boasting about mobilizing 1 million civilians. How is Ukraine so outnumbered on the front lines now? Why the drastic mobilization measures? Why are there almost no western media coverage on Ukrainian losses? When this conflict ends you will be shocked reading about these numbers in the Wall Street Journal and Forbes.
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Post by justme on Feb 5, 2023 22:54:23 GMT
It's as if someone copied these overestimates and change the army.... I would not recommend taking data from the Ukrainian government as reality. Here is the BBC several days ago: Additionally, your graphic posted shows losses. Here is the definition of a loss: Also, here is the definition of a casualty:
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Post by glennkoks on Feb 6, 2023 2:46:29 GMT
Justme, I think the data supplied by the Ukraine is on par with the data you offer…
Which is not saying much
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Post by Sigurdur on Feb 6, 2023 4:07:03 GMT
Justme, I think the data supplied by the Ukraine is on par with the data you offer… Which is not saying much My 2 cents from 50 years ago. Justme is infinitely more accurate than what others post. With the knowledge that the big 3s threw an election, paid Twitter millions to suppress information, told outright lies about numerous things it would be obvious that the Ukraine conflict is US driven. Obama/Biden were throat deep in screwing the American people. This is almost a carbon copy of Vietnam misinformation.
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