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Post by ratty on Mar 13, 2022 10:25:38 GMT
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Post by Sigurdur on Mar 13, 2022 17:14:23 GMT
aphadolie.com/2018/06/11/armes-biologiques-pentagone/The U.S. military routinely produces deadly viruses, bacteria, and toxins in direct violation of the United Nations Biological Weapons Convention . Hundreds of thousands of unconscious people are routinely exposed to dangerous pathogens and other incurable diseases.
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Post by Sigurdur on Mar 13, 2022 17:33:30 GMT
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Post by duwayne on Mar 13, 2022 20:25:52 GMT
I'm not familiar with this magazine, nor do I have inside knowledge of what's going on in Ukraine, but this sounds just like Putin's propaganda. It isn't. When Trump was President, every vote that would come up in the senate would result in a TV appearance by Chuck Schumer (Democratic Senate Leader for those outside the US) in the capitol building and he would denounce Trump’s view on the legislation as racist no matter what the bill was about.
A racism claim is so bad that it doesn’t require any proof. Republicans are racist because they are accused of that. If you need proof notice that they didn’t vote for a black vice-president. What more proof is needed?
In Russia, the biggest event in people’s memories is World War 2. Fascism is the epitome of evil. An unbelievable number of Russians were killed in the war.
Putin labels Ukraine as a Fascist threat. If the Russians believe it, and what other information are they allowed to hear, they support anything Putin decides as appropriate including Nukes.
I don’t know whether Ukraine is a serious Fascist threat or not, but it’s something which Putin and others might be tempted to overstate or misrepresent if it helps gain support for what otherwise is a clear invasion.
A crooked government might not be justification for an invasion, particularly for the US where a former president is completing his second $20 million house. And the current President and family are recipients of payoffs from Ukraine and China.
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Post by walnut on Mar 13, 2022 21:33:22 GMT
When Trump was President, every vote that would come up in the senate would result in a TV appearance by Chuck Schumer (Democratic Senate Leader for those outside the US) in the capitol building and he would denounce Trump’s view on the legislation as racist no matter what the bill was about.
A racism claim is so bad that it doesn’t require any proof. Republicans are racist because they are accused of that. If you need proof notice that they didn’t vote for a black vice-president. What more proof is needed?
In Russia, the biggest event in people’s memories is World War 2. Fascism is the epitome of evil. An unbelievable number of Russians were killed in the war.
Putin labels Ukraine as a Fascist threat. If the Russians believe it, and what other information are they allowed to hear, they support anything Putin decides as appropriate including Nukes.
I don’t know whether Ukraine is a serious Fascist threat or not, but it’s something which Putin and others might be tempted to overstate or misrepresent if it helps gain support for what otherwise is a clear invasion.
A crooked government might not be justification for an invasion, particularly for the US where a former president is completing his second $20 million house. And the current President and family are recipients of payoffs from Ukraine and China.
When is our invasion scheduled? Surely our illegitimate government meets the standard? |
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Post by birder on Mar 13, 2022 23:01:37 GMT
When Trump was President, every vote that would come up in the senate would result in a TV appearance by Chuck Schumer (Democratic Senate Leader for those outside the US) in the capitol building and he would denounce Trump’s view on the legislation as racist no matter what the bill was about.
A racism claim is so bad that it doesn’t require any proof. Republicans are racist because they are accused of that. If you need proof notice that they didn’t vote for a black vice-president. What more proof is needed?
In Russia, the biggest event in people’s memories is World War 2. Fascism is the epitome of evil. An unbelievable number of Russians were killed in the war.
Putin labels Ukraine as a Fascist threat. If the Russians believe it, and what other information are they allowed to hear, they support anything Putin decides as appropriate including Nukes.
I don’t know whether Ukraine is a serious Fascist threat or not, but it’s something which Putin and others might be tempted to overstate or misrepresent if it helps gain support for what otherwise is a clear invasion.
A crooked government might not be justification for an invasion, particularly for the US where a former president is completing his second $20 million house. And the current President and family are recipients of payoffs from Ukraine and China.
When is our invasion scheduled? Surely our illegitimate government meets the standard? US still in Syria but not in the news much. |
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Post by Sigurdur on Mar 14, 2022 13:59:22 GMT
It seems to have started.
The NAZI folks in Ukraine are not stupid. Russia dropped some missiles into western Ukraine training base.
In a city, video footage of a burned bus, car and food truck. No Russian presence. The reporter is claiming the APOV fellers did it.
This was a tactic by the North Vietnamese. They would commit atrocities and claim American forces did it.
War is, has always been dirty.
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Post by Sigurdur on Mar 14, 2022 14:00:20 GMT
Biolabs
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Post by Sigurdur on Mar 14, 2022 14:20:08 GMT
I was sick of the Ukraine conflict from day 1. I don't trust Russia, I don't trust US to do the proper thing either.
1. We, in the US, have a buffoon for President. Mental facility extremely limited. Polls showing less than 40% support, even though trillions of $ were raided from the treasure.
2. Green new deal not going anywhere. Geopolitical happening to happily raise energy prices and blame Putin.
3. The incursion was 100% preventable. Putin laid out Russian demands. Ukraine not join NATO, Minsk accords be fulfilled. Instead of acknowledging this, US kept inferring Ukraine would become part of NATO. VP Harris couldn't keep it straight. She goes overseas and makes sure to talk like Ukraine is already part of NATO.
4. Believe it or not, Russia does have some advanced military hardware. They haven't used much of it so far. They did use some of it in the strike on the western Ukraine base.
5. Propaganda war. US doesn't have biolabs in Ukraine. Ok, we do have biolabs in Ukraine. They are for peaceful purposes. Ok, we were making anthrax, Coronavirus strains etc there. Peaceful purposes. Ok, welllll, they are so peaceful that we can't let Russia get ahold of any of that material. We can't do this research on US soil because it is against the law. Folks, there aren't stupid people on this board. Hopefully, you can see past the gaslighting going on.
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Post by blustnmtn on Mar 14, 2022 15:07:21 GMT
Everyone playing a substantive role in this war is lying except for the innocents that have been murdered.
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Post by gridley on Mar 14, 2022 15:54:21 GMT
Everyone playing a substantive role in this war is lying except for the innocents that have been murdered. "Truth is the first casualty of war." |
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 14, 2022 17:41:32 GMT
I was sick of the Ukraine conflict from day 1. I don't trust Russia, I don't trust US to do the proper thing either. 1. We, in the US, have a buffoon for President. Mental facility extremely limited. Polls showing less than 40% support, even though trillions of $ were raided from the treasure. 2. Green new deal not going anywhere. Geopolitical happening to happily raise energy prices and blame Putin. 3. The incursion was 100% preventable. Putin laid out Russian demands. Ukraine not join NATO, Minsk accords be fulfilled. Instead of acknowledging this, US kept inferring Ukraine would become part of NATO. VP Harris couldn't keep it straight. She goes overseas and makes sure to talk like Ukraine is already part of NATO. 4. Believe it or not, Russia does have some advanced military hardware. They haven't used much of it so far. They did use some of it in the strike on the western Ukraine base. 5. Propaganda war. US doesn't have biolabs in Ukraine. Ok, we do have biolabs in Ukraine. They are for peaceful purposes. Ok, we were making anthrax, Coronavirus strains etc there. Peaceful purposes. Ok, welllll, they are so peaceful that we can't let Russia get ahold of any of that material. We can't do this research on US soil because it is against the law. Folks, there aren't stupid people on this board. Hopefully, you can see past the gaslighting going on. I agree with everything you said there. Possible exception ... Not sure if Putin would have been satisfied with just that, but it would have been worth the effort.
I don't trust ANY government larger than my own city/county. And that only because I'm close enough to go "bang" on their office doors. "They" understand that closeness and (if otherwise tempted) moderate their actions accordingly. Large bureaucracies are never to be trusted as they develop their own vested interests and unelected power base. They need to be broken up frequently ... starting NOW in the US. My sympathies tend to gravitate to ALL peoples' rights to self-determination. This includes the Donbas. I understand and sympathise with Russia's stated position regarding the eastward positioning of offensive weapons in Eastern Europe. We would, and have, done the same thing. They should be accommodated with guarantees for the sovereignty of the easternmost EU nations. This aside, Russia has no right to rule those portions of Ukraine that do not wish to be ruled. The old empires are dead, but the new empires of the technological age are not much (if any) better.
We didn't listen to Eisenhower, to our detriment, and have allowed the military-industrial complex to grow unchecked. We seem on the verge of doing the same thing with the pharmacutical-industrial complex. Exterminating and rebuilding smaller bureaucracies might improve the situation. But who is going to do it?
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 14, 2022 17:52:36 GMT
It's a shame that Tulsi is a Democrat. She needs to change her party or become an independent. |
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Post by Sigurdur on Mar 14, 2022 18:25:38 GMT
Democrat talking point.
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 14, 2022 19:06:33 GMT
They should be careful. What goes around comes around. And we will remember their names.
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