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Post by glennkoks on Apr 28, 2024 13:25:59 GMT
Tough times in Russia. Sanctions and lost market share sweep over Putin's nation like a Tsunami!
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Post by acidohm on Apr 28, 2024 14:24:16 GMT
Here's someone making a prediction!
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Post by glennkoks on Apr 28, 2024 14:53:39 GMT
Here's someone making a prediction! A decent prediction, as good as any. But it does not count for how fast they can produce/increase production of new artillery systems.
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Post by acidohm on Apr 28, 2024 15:36:29 GMT
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Post by glennkoks on Apr 28, 2024 19:07:48 GMT
The new 60 billion dollar aid package to Ukraine apparently included ATACMS long range missiles that have already been put to use...
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Post by acidohm on Apr 29, 2024 21:31:36 GMT
Just a thought...
Going back to the Carlson interview, Putin made a big deal out of the history (from his perspective) of Russian with relation to Ukraine. By all accounts Putin is highly interested in History, also having published a book. So there's this thing where as a Russian, and as all Russians, I believe as being very ethnocentric, this history and ones involvement in history in the making as the current land grab would be a part of, has a whole greater meaning to him then us in the west may easily perceive. He is writing himself in effect, into his own book, putting himself into a stature as admirable as those he clearly admires. And, he's also running out of time to achieve this as he gets older. Also, I'd assume he really doesn't want to write himself into the history book as the guy who ended Russia. The fact that all civilisation would end in a nuclear conflagration is pretty irrelevant, only Russia is important. Being written into the books as the guy who led Russia to a state bordered by other powerful nations also won't sit well, Russia must appear powerful, allowing the west to its borders doesn't portray this.
Anyhoo, critique at will!
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Post by acidohm on May 2, 2024 19:42:09 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on May 2, 2024 20:28:54 GMT
Just a thought... Going back to the Carlson interview, Putin made a big deal out of the history (from his perspective) of Russian with relation to Ukraine. By all accounts Putin is highly interested in History, also having published a book. So there's this thing where as a Russian, and as all Russians, I believe as being very ethnocentric, this history and ones involvement in history in the making as the current land grab would be a part of, has a whole greater meaning to him then us in the west may easily perceive. He is writing himself in effect, into his own book, putting himself into a stature as admirable as those he clearly admires. And, he's also running out of time to achieve this as he gets older. Also, I'd assume he really doesn't want to write himself into the history book as the guy who ended Russia. The fact that all civilisation would end in a nuclear conflagration is pretty irrelevant, only Russia is important. Being written into the books as the guy who led Russia to a state bordered by other powerful nations also won't sit well, Russia must appear powerful, allowing the west to its borders doesn't portray this. Anyhoo, critique at will! When the current unpleasantries are concluded, I assume that Putin wants Russia/himself to take its place in a prominent spot among nations. Making peace with some concessions might make more sense than fighting it out to the bitter end. If they are really concerned about those historical invasion paths, then all you really need, is an agreement with NATO. The Western European nations have entered into all kinds of similar agreements. Other Nations have lost territory over centuries. Russia is not being picked on.
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Post by glennkoks on May 3, 2024 1:21:38 GMT
Just a thought... Going back to the Carlson interview, Putin made a big deal out of the history (from his perspective) of Russian with relation to Ukraine. By all accounts Putin is highly interested in History, also having published a book. So there's this thing where as a Russian, and as all Russians, I believe as being very ethnocentric, this history and ones involvement in history in the making as the current land grab would be a part of, has a whole greater meaning to him then us in the west may easily perceive. He is writing himself in effect, into his own book, putting himself into a stature as admirable as those he clearly admires. And, he's also running out of time to achieve this as he gets older. Also, I'd assume he really doesn't want to write himself into the history book as the guy who ended Russia. The fact that all civilisation would end in a nuclear conflagration is pretty irrelevant, only Russia is important. Being written into the books as the guy who led Russia to a state bordered by other powerful nations also won't sit well, Russia must appear powerful, allowing the west to its borders doesn't portray this. Anyhoo, critique at will! When the current unpleasantries are concluded, I assume that Putin wants Russia/himself to take its place in a prominent spot among nations. Making peace with some concessions might make more sense than fighting it out to the bitter end. If they are really concerned about those historical invasion paths, then all you really need, is an agreement with NATO. The Western European nations have entered into all kinds of similar agreements. Other Nations have lost territory over centuries. Russia is not being picked on. What would it take to conclude the unpleasantries? Are the Nazi's that were running around Ukraine threatening Russia's sovereignty significantly reduced in power and scope? Will he stop with just a hunk of Ukraine like the Donbas and Crimea? Will Ukraine concede any territory? If there is a conclusion I can't see Europe just taking Russia back in the fold as a most favored trading partner. Best thing Putin can do is "proclaim victory" and pull his troops out of Ukraine go home and start mending fences. But he is rapidly increasing his military industrial complex which leads me to believe his goals are more than just Ukraine...
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Post by flearider on May 3, 2024 14:22:52 GMT
When the current unpleasantries are concluded, I assume that Putin wants Russia/himself to take its place in a prominent spot among nations. Making peace with some concessions might make more sense than fighting it out to the bitter end. If they are really concerned about those historical invasion paths, then all you really need, is an agreement with NATO. The Western European nations have entered into all kinds of similar agreements. Other Nations have lost territory over centuries. Russia is not being picked on. What would it take to conclude the unpleasantries? Are the Nazi's that were running around Ukraine threatening Russia's sovereignty significantly reduced in power and scope? Will he stop with just a hunk of Ukraine like the Donbas and Crimea? Will Ukraine concede any territory? If there is a conclusion I can't see Europe just taking Russia back in the fold as a most favored trading partner. Best thing Putin can do is "proclaim victory" and pull his troops out of Ukraine go home and start mending fences. But he is rapidly increasing his military industrial complex which leads me to believe his goals are more than just Ukraine... he's just not got the men he needs to take ukraine never mind any other country if he does try for poland he's fecked .. as everyone will just jump in ?
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Post by phydeaux2363 on May 3, 2024 18:24:38 GMT
I don't know, Mr. Flea. I don't think Poland is on Mr. Putin's radar. That would surely trigger an all out NATO response, and perhaps end in WWIII. If Mr. Putin makes a move in Europe, it will be into the Baltic countries. Whilst technically part of the alliance, I think many NATO countries would balk at starting a major European war over Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia.
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Post by missouriboy on May 3, 2024 21:24:47 GMT
I don't know, Mr. Flea. I don't think Poland is on Mr. Putin's radar. That would surely trigger an all out NATO response, and perhaps end in WWIII. If Mr. Putin makes a move in Europe, it will be into the Baltic countries. Whilst technically part of the alliance, I think many NATO countries would balk at starting a major European war over Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia. That sounds a bit like Mr Chamberlain.
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Post by nonentropic on May 4, 2024 0:44:32 GMT
Chamberlain got a lot of bad press he allowed the Brits to get their war machine rolling for an extra year.
He knew that a war directly after his talks would have seen the UK eaten alive. Plus many other countries for that matter.
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Post by acidohm on May 4, 2024 5:56:13 GMT
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Post by gridley on May 4, 2024 12:14:43 GMT
Chamberlain got a lot of bad press he allowed the Brits to get their war machine rolling for an extra year. He knew that a war directly after his talks would have seen the UK eaten alive. Plus many other countries for that matter. Was part of that "get their war machine rolling" filling a dry English channel?
True, the UK wasn't "ready" for war at the time of Munich. Of course it turns out they weren't ready in September of '39 either. Nor was the US remotely ready in December of '41. Nor was the USSR ready in the summer of '41. Guess who won the war?
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